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KrazyHorse is offline KrazyHorse
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Oooppps....

you know what I meant, even though I put the brackets in the wrong place. Are the a and b generalised? All a and all b?

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Oooppps....

you know what I meant, even though I put the brackets in the wrong place. Are the a and b generalised? All a and all b?


Yes, all a and b within the domain of *

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Answer to mine:
n^2 - (n - 1)^3

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For techno:

((b*a)*b)*(b*a) = a*(b*a) by performing reduction on the leftmost brackets

but, substituting c = b*a into the expression ((b*a)*b)*(b*a)
we get (c*b)*c = b by reduction

Therefore, by transitivity of =, we get b = a*(b*a)

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If it's all a and all b, you could simply insert any a and any b into the assumption, and you have your proof.

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You have a circle of radius 1 in which is enclosed a parabola. Is it possible for the parabola's arc to be longer than 4?


Where c: [0, 2pi] -> R^2 and c(t) = (cost, sint)

Arc Length of circle =
[integral]{over circle}||c'(t)||dt
= [integral]{0, 2pi}dt = 2pi

p[-i, i] -> R^2 and p(t) = (t, ct^2)
Maximize arc length
d([integral]{i, f}(1 + 2ct^2)^.5 dt)/dc = 0
(i^2 + ci^4) = 1
i^2(c + i^2) = 1
ermmm..
*solve for i*
d([integral]{-i(c), i(c)}(1 + 2ct^2)^.5 dt)/dc = 0
*do math*
c = some constant c1
So if [integral]{-i(c), i(c)}(1 + 2(c1)t^2)^.5 dt <= 4, you've got your answer.

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So if [integral]{-i(c), i(c)}(1 + 2(c1)t^2)^.5 dt <= 4, you've got your answer.


Woot! Got that one right.

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For the {N} thing:

We see that for all n&N (natural numbers), (n^2-n)lessthanNlessthan(n^2+n) gives {N} = n (simple enough to prove...just compare to (n-.5)^2 and (n+.5)^2 and convince yourself that the boundaries don't ever cross form one natural number to the next)

So, each n has 2n N's associated with it (if you catch my meaning), and if you stare hard enough at the first 15 or so terms, you can see that we can rewrite the summation as a double summation, with the inside summations each having 2^(n+1) terms...

Anyhoo, this starts to get a bit nasty, and since I'm typing this, I'll just state what happens when you collapse the first summation:

sum from n=1 to infinity of (2-n^2+2n+2-n^2)*(1-2-2^n)

This is sort of disgusting in itself. I'll come back when I'm able to evaluate it.

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Let lg A = x and lg B = y.
Define the expression AB + lg(A^3 * B^2) in terms of x and y.

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Log base what? e?

A = e^x
B = e^y

e^(x + y) + ln(e^(3x) * e^(2y))
e^(x + y) + 3x + 2y

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Okay. Rearranged a slightly different way (you'll have to trust me; I can prove it, but it would take a while):

1 + 2*sumn=1 to infinity2^(-n)

As this is much easier to evaluate, I'll do so:

3

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but you're of course correct.

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Here's a problem from my Comp Sci class. I've asked most of the math and comp sci professors here if they knew how to solve it, but no dice.

The @ function is the floor function: chop a positive number's decimal value to produce an integer.

Given the recursive relation:

A[0] = 0; A[1] = 0; A[2] = 1;
A[N] = A[@(N/2)] + R[@(N/2), @(N/2)+1];
R[0,U] = A[U]; R[S,0] = 0;
R[S,U] = U + (R[@(N/2),@(U/2)] + [sum from i = 0 to @(U/2) : 2 * R[@(S/2), U - i]]) / U;

For N approaches infinity, what does A[N] equal in terms of N? What does A[N] equal in terms only of N (not of A[N] or R[S,U])?

I've written a computer program to determine the answer, and running it for up to N = 64 it appears that A[N] is converging to N*log2(N), where log2 is log base 2. However, I can't test the problem any higher than around N = 64 because the recursive algorithm runs in exponential time; A[75] would take hours to compute, A[100] days or weeks, A[1000] might run until the end of time.

The background behind the problem is in relation to a sorting algorithm that I've come up with, where A[N] gives the algorithm's average case. I had to present the algorithm the other day, but couldn't say what the average case was other than "it looks like it's approaching N*log2(N), but I can't really say for certain since I've only tested it up to N=64."

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That's just nasty...

Did you get 3 for the {N} problem too?

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1 + 2*sumn=1 to infinity2^(-n)

As this is much easier to evaluate, I'll do so:

3


Dammit. I knew the answer had to be three because it was converging there, but I spent an hour trying to turn the sum of the series into something possible to solve. (It wasn't really wasted time, though, since I finished the second part of the exam an hour early by virtue of the fact that I only turned in three of the six problems.)

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You can show that the "jumps" in the numerator happen in such a way that you always get two terms of value 2^(-n) for n>1 and one oddball term of 2^0

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Don't worry; I spent the better part of an hour doing this just now.

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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Ramo
y'(x) = 21x^6 - 20x^3 - 6x
y''(x) = 126x^5 - 60x^2 - 6
||y''(5)/|| = too much arithmatic

Is it my turn yet? [/QUOTE

Unfortunately, looks like youy did not pass Calc III, that is not the way to kind kappa, the value of the curavture of a line.]

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I got like a 35 (out of possible 120) when I took it, and I was 2nd highest at McGill.

Darn. You get at least my congratulations... I took the stupid thing Freshman year when I was a lot more arrogant then I am now, and unsurprisingly got the most popular score on the Putnam, the good old zero.

Anyway, I've got a few questions for everybody, except that my Geometry teacher probably wouldn't approve of me posting questions from the take-home test before I hand it in. Anyway, the problem that should have been the easiest is probably the most annoying right now... a stupid little proof in projective geometry about some points being collinear, and it's such a problem that you don't even have to be inventive with placing points you know the coordinates of and using variables. It's just straight calculation with numbers, and it ISN'T COMING OUT! In fact, the solution keeps getting worse and worse. It started out with of the 3 points, two of the lines between them were the same. I made an adjustment after discovering one mistake, and there were still 2 lines the same. And after finding yet another one (or possibly 2), I now have 3 completely different lines going between these points.

Anyway, here's an enjoyable little problem: Does there exist such a function that f(x) is rational on every irrational number and irrational on every rational number? If there is, give an example, if there isn't, explain why.

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Anyway, here's an enjoyable little problem: Does there exist such a function that f(x) is rational on every irrational number and irrational on every rational number? If there is, give an example, if there isn't, explain why.


Are we allowed to make it piecewise, and/or discontinuous?

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Argh, I should have mentioned that. It's continuous. Otherwise, the answer is obvious (let x be 0 for all irrational numbers, e for all rational numbers).

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Unfortunately, looks like youy did not pass Calc III, that is not the way to kind kappa, the value of the curavture of a line.


What am I missing? Does the speed of the parametrization have to be constant? Sorry, we didn't spend any time on curvature in my vector calculus class (calc 4; calc 3 is usually Diff. Eq). It's too trivial.

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Unfortunately, looks like youy did not pass Calc III, that is not the way to kind kappa, the value of the curavture of a line.


Ha ha, I got an 'A' in Calc III four years ago and now I couldn't find kappa to save my life. Hell, I didn't even remember that the curvature was called kappa. Nowadays if I need to find an arc length or an integral or whatever I just write a program to do it; computer science has made me incapable of doing math.

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Solve this differential equation for r:

r''(t) = -C*r(t)/||r(t)||^3

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something like

r³=6*(-C*(t²/2))
(after 2 ruf integrations)

maybe you like this one:
create 24 by using +,-,x,:
and the numbers 1,3,4,6
You may only use the numbers 1 time each and you have to use them 1 time each.

have fun

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Answer to mine:
n^2 - (n - 1)^3


I believe this is incorrect. It breaks down at the second term, since using this equation, you get 3, rather than 5, which is the term you put down.

I think the correct equation would be:

2*([n-1]^2 + n) - 1

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The other math problems are somewhat beyond my math ability.

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Hehe, I altered it slightly to see if anyone noticed.
Correct answer: n^2 + (n - 1)^2

yet your works too...

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Okay, this is vaguely irrelevant to the game (which I do not wish to participate in), but I was wondering about this the other day: What would be the ultimate shape of a bowl/glass? Imagine you only have a certain amount of material and for simplicity's sake the thickness of the walls of the container would be uniform, what shape would be able to hold the greatest amount of liquid considering a downward gravitational pull? I'm assuming it'd be circular from the top, so to simplify, what shape given a certain length of wire would give the greatest area to the shape contained by it, if you were allowed to keep the top of the shape open? And why?

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A sphere has the most efficient volume/surface area ratio.

You can prove this locally (show it must have constant Gaussian curvature), but it requires a pretty decent knowledge of differential geometry. There might be an easier way to prove it, but this is the method I've seen.

Hmmm...

for the top of the item open, I'm not sure...

Let me think about it for a few seconds.

 
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