15-12-2001 08:55									#1
	Atrocities & Pollution Got spare money?

Does anyone know whether atrocities like Nerve Gas and stapling cause any pollution? I've heard people talk about it, but I've never seen it, so I'd like to know.

	16-12-2001 01:34									#2
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Nukes certainly do ;-)
AFAIK all atrocities create eco-damage... pretty uncool. Centauri Preserves are your friend.

	16-12-2001 22:53									#3
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Do CPs actually help against atrocities? I thought they only worked against over generation of minerals.

	16-12-2001 23:34									#4
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CPs, TFs, HFs, and ToPs all help avoid atrocity ED, but not directly. They help by increasing the number of clean mins you can harvest before incurring ED. This is countered by atrocities, which reduce the number of clean mins you can harvest.

IIRC, PBs reduce the clean min count by 5 for each one used. As far as nerve stapling and nerve gas, they also do the same, but no one has put forth a valid theory as to how much they each affect ED.

So, you could build 5 CPs ahead of using a PB and incur no ED penalty for nuking your opponents HQ. Other than REALLY making him mad, that is.

	16-12-2001 23:41									#5
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atricity only affect ED when the UN Chart is enforced. If the UN chart is repealed then ED won't arise.

	17-12-2001 00:33									#6
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quote: Originally posted by knowhow2 atricity only affect ED when the UN Chart is enforced. If the UN chart is repealed then ED won't arise.

Well that's strange since when does Planet participate in the UN Council?

	17-12-2001 03:44									#7
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Why would Planet care if the intruders killed eachother with nervegas or slaughter entire bases with citiziens?

	18-12-2001 22:45									#8
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I believe I conducted an experiment by nerve stapling all my captured bases and did not experience any increased ED (plenty of sanctions though). However, it is possible that my supply of captured bases in this game (IIRC it was only about 5?) was insufficient to cross some threshhold.

	19-12-2001 02:52									#9
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quote: Originally posted by knowhow2 Why would Planet care if the intruders killed eachother with nervegas or slaughter entire bases with citiziens?

Because nerve gas is a POISON. A POISON GAS, to be exact. And releasing large quantities of a POISON into the atmosphere is a good way of poluting that atmosphere.
And Planet cares because Planet is a Psychic entity. Mindworms are attracted to unassimilated thought pattern. Lots of thought create resonances. Resonances of agony and death are disquieting.
In short, Planet cares because Planet is alive. And as such, the agony and death on it's surface affect it's thoughts the way an ice pick stuck into your brain would affect your thoughts.

Indra

	19-12-2001 02:56									#10
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Then we are talking about Enviroment and not atrocity against makind. Agree?

	19-12-2001 19:04									#11
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As someone else pointed out. Does repealing the Atrocity ban via the Council prevent pollution from Nerve Gas? It probably has no effect on PBs but maybe...

	20-12-2001 05:09									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Yxklyx As someone else pointed out. Does repealing the Atrocity ban via the Council prevent pollution from Nerve Gas? It probably has no effect on PBs but maybe...

ive PBed like mad some games and not seen an increase in ecodamage. but, when the charter is still in effect, i see great increases in ecodmg.