15-12-2001 23:36									#1
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under what circumstances do you get to upgrade your throne room?

	16-12-2001 03:42									#2
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It's most probably score related.

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	17-12-2001 01:04									#3
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I believe it has something to do with happiness.

	17-12-2001 01:57									#4
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Build a couple of advances (Great Wall etc.) at the start of the game and you'll get to upgrade the throne room.

The same thing also happens (I think) when beating a strong civ and stuff like that; it's very similar to civ1.

	22-12-2001 10:55									#5
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I think it's score related, too. I never really did any experimenation to see if I'm right, but I'm fairly certain.

	23-12-2001 17:23									#6
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Does noone have a decent answer to that question?

	24-12-2001 16:41									#7
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I always got tired of the throne room and turned it off, does any one have any info about new graphics for it I would love to see it

	06-01-2002 05:46									#8
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well i know when you do things in the early game...ie hit 200k in population you get an upgrade....early wonder will net you at least two upgrades.....

there are some goals obviously preset in the game...the faster you reach them, the quicker your upgrades...

	09-01-2002 07:30									#9
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When ever I play the original Civ.2 Happiness always results in the throne room changing If you raise the Luxuries gradually 10% at each 1-3 turns it most likely will let you change the throne room.
-J.B.-

	10-01-2002 00:17									#10
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It is 100% score related. I don't have my manual handy (being at work and such) however, I believe there is something in there that lists different score levels at which you get to do upgrades. I may be remembering incorrectly or the info may have been from a civ 1 strategy guide I have but I would bet a significant amount of money that the throne room improvements are score driven.

	10-01-2002 05:29									#11
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How would we turn it off?

	10-01-2002 07:30									#12
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iirc it is in "graphic options"

	10-01-2002 18:24									#13
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OK, after reading this, I had to look it up when I got home last night. To paraphrase the official Civ 2 manual, the ability to update the throne room is linked to completing certain achievements. Specifics are not given, only vague descriptions, like reaching certain population totals, wonders, etc. However, I have an old Civ 1 strategy guide which was created by someone other than Microprose and created using the same methods that members here like the SG's, La Fayette and many, many others have used to determine the different formula's used by Civ 2. In this reference guide, it states that the palace improvements of Civ 1 where based solely on score and had a table of scores you had to each to make new improvements to the palace. I believe that the civ 1 manual officially stated that the palace improvements where also based on completing certain tasks, etc but where clearly based only on score.

Any way, as for how to turn it off, I also believe it is in the 'graphics options' screen. It is definitely in one of the options screens under the "File" menu.

Albert B

	11-01-2002 06:10									#14
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Well I guess you're right Albert B. I always got it updated when my people were celebrating though.

	11-01-2002 08:45									#15
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that is entirely possible.When you raise luxuries for celebrating you make more happy faces.Happys are worth more points than non happys.Jacking your luxuries increases game score.You probably had just enough to trigger an update.As you celebrate you get more and more citizens,raising your score as you go.Triggering more updates.....

	11-01-2002 11:00									#16
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Ya. Now that you put it that way; every time my Throne room was updated my score was up in points. Thanks for straightening that out for me and a lot of other folks out there.

- J.B. -

Last edited by Jeremy Buloch on 16-01-2002 at 04:31

	13-01-2002 06:16									#17
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does anybody know where to find a picture of the entire throne room??

i mean when you can´t improve it anymore

i would appreciate a pm with the answer

thanks

	13-01-2002 23:27									#18
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SN - I found it once in the Apolyton Civ2 section...

	13-01-2002 23:32									#19
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I sent you a PM with the link

	14-01-2002 03:19									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion I sent you a PM with the link

thanks!!

	14-01-2002 12:08									#21
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Actually, the Civ2 manual specifically says that Wonders will influence the throne room improvements (p. 98) and that "numbers and sizes of cities, attitude of the population, and civilization advances" are keys. Certainly in my experience, attitude is huge; whenever I pump luxuries to get WLT_D, I can count on serial upgrades turn after turn.

	14-01-2002 21:54									#22
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I don't doubt this is true debeest... However, is the continual improvements due directly to the increased luxury rate or (as I would contend), due to the increase score you get because of the increased luxury rate?

First, you get more happy people, which are worth more points than content ones. Secondly, WLTXD increase your population (especially in democracy where all your celebrating cities grow 1 size per turn). The increased population further boosts your score.

I don't plan to check it, but I would bet that if one would compare the chart of scores needed for each improvement that I have from the civ 1 book to one's score at each point a throne room improvement is earned, that one could easily put together a similar chart for civ 2 and throne room improvements that is solely based on the civ score.

	17-01-2002 04:29									#23
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I once got stuck on the north pole w/o a land bridge. I settled near a whale and got throne room upgrades every turn.

Must have something to do with having a White Christmas every day.

	17-01-2002 06:12									#24
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Did you get to the End of the Throne Room updates Wgabrie?

-J.B.-

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	17-01-2002 06:23									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Jeremy Buloch Did you get to the End of the Throne Room updates Wgabie?

Yes. A nice european style throne room. Where we got the building material on an ice cap is beyond me.

	17-01-2002 07:07									#26
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I've only got too the part of the Throne Room where it starts to let you get pictures and Pots & Etc.
-J.B.-

	17-01-2002 21:59									#27
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what throne room update?

	18-01-2002 10:00									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion what throne room update?

I was saying that when I Got my Throne Room to be Updated because of the score. It started to get Pots of flowers, Chests of Gold, Paintings on the wall,etc. Thats the furthest I got on updating my Throne Room.

-J.B.-

	18-01-2002 11:40									#29
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if you activate the cheat menu,you can update the throne room freely by pressing "Q"

	19-01-2002 08:47									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Smash if you activate the cheat menu,you can update the throne room freely by pressing "Q"

You can!
How did you find that out?
I've got to go try it Thanks Smash.
Too bad you have too cheat before it happens.