17-12-2001 23:56									#1
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We should have a wide base of people now who own the game. I am curious as to what the average rating civ3 gets from this community. Please vote honestly

	18-12-2001 00:46									#2
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No negative votes so far...interesting considering all the negative comments around here

	18-12-2001 00:59									#3
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what... a 7 isn't negative enough for u?

	18-12-2001 02:00									#4
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quote: Originally posted by dainbramaged13 what... a 7 isn't negative enough for u?

This means you're saying that Civ3 is considerably better than half the other games you'd rate. Doesn't sound negative to me.

	18-12-2001 02:06									#5
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a 7 is basically a "good" rating....still a very respectable mark.

10 excellent
5 average
1 horrible


Only 16 votes so far...average score - 8.3

	18-12-2001 03:23									#6
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After having a look at all other games released (or having a demo released) in the last few months I'd give it.........10

	18-12-2001 04:01									#7
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This is a tricky question, vague enough to be something USA Today would post

Compared to what.......?
A. Other Civ games (or TBGs)...............7
Some definite improvements/advances, but a few left out, too. Would have liked to see some of CtP2s ideas included.

B. Other computer games....................9
I definitely prefer TBG to arcade and/or graphic intensive 'adventure', but just my opinion.

C. My expectations...............................5
Like the game (found that '1 more turn syndrom'), but see 'A', had higher hopes.

	18-12-2001 18:57									#8
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It's not vague at all tw
What is your personal opinion of the game? Period. Thats the question!

Through 37 votes, the average score is 7.83...pretty good civ3

Keep the votes coming.

	18-12-2001 23:43									#9
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Keep em coming...I know we got more than 49 people here....I'd say we need atleast 100 poly people to make this survey worthwhile.

	19-12-2001 00:29									#10
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I vote a 7. Almost quit from playing it for a variety of reasons. But with its excellent trading and dipo options, civ3 will potentially make much better dipo games than civ2 does. But MP is not included yet. Better wait till MP release. Or maybe I can send you my copy for you to evaluate/practice. :P

	19-12-2001 00:37									#11
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Lets all help out with bumping this Poll from time to time, so that as many visitors as possible have a change to vote. That is; if not MarkG decides to "glue" this one at the top, for a while.

	19-12-2001 00:43									#12
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After 54 votes, the score stands at 7.96....after taking a slight drop its on its way back up!

	19-12-2001 01:35									#13
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250 views and only 57 votes......

	19-12-2001 03:36									#14
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64 votes and almost 3 out of 4 visitors (71.88%) currently thinks that its worth something between 8 and 10.

	19-12-2001 03:39									#15
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Ok, so whose job is it to do the statistical analysis, throw out the outliers, and come up with a final average and a standard deviation?

	19-12-2001 04:24									#16
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Pre-patch I'd give it a 7.

Now that the editor was opened by the patch I'd give it a 9.
The editor is very useful for making the game you want to play.

With the editor open, I've modified the hit points of combat units substantially, put the combat defensive bonuses back to Civ II levels, and made the pop-rush less attractive. Now I have a game that is still much more than Civ II, but benefits my "civilized-perfectionist" strategy that I like, and which I found very difficult to use in the game as it was published.

	19-12-2001 07:02									#17
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quote: Originally posted by TrainWreck20 Ok, so whose job is it to do the statistical analysis, throw out the outliers, and come up with a final average and a standard deviation?

But the outliers are valuable customers! :-P

	19-12-2001 07:20									#18
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I gave it a modest '6'. Not horrible, but CtP2-modded would be an 8. Civ3-modded would be probably a 9, if....well....you could actually mod it apart from:

"Looky! My Tanks Now have 9999 attack!" or

"Looky! I can play against Bill Clinton..err, nevermind that he looks like Abe Lincoln."

	19-12-2001 07:20									#19
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the problem with this poll, is that there are alot of people who are extremely dissapointed, because they expected a 10, and civ is probably around a 7 for most peole (IMO) but there disapointed so they give it a 1, just because they are angry at firaxis. then some people will try and counter that by giving it 10's, even if its only about a 7-8 to them, etc. so this poll might end up becoming alot of 10's and 1's. hopefully it wont though

i thought it was a 4, because of late game tedium, planes vs ships, combat, and the AI's inability to defend itself (they defend there settlers better than their metros sometimes )

	19-12-2001 10:07									#20
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War is one of the most exciting part of CivIII and now they are loaded with frustrating problems.
Gameplay still nice
Unreasonable AI that makes me soo mad that i even declare war at e'm who makes stupid demand
No MP reallly bad
The technology was about the same with Civ2,they dont really restructre the whole technology system,this proves that they are sooo lazzzyyyy

I would give it a 6!If not for the civ style gameplay i would give it 0!Actually they really should not call it civ 3 but instead civ2.25
because it is a quarter ass job

	19-12-2001 20:04									#21
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OK, I know there are more than 91 people around to vote on this poll. In order to get a good overall apolyton impression, as many people as possible must vote!

Through 91 votes the average score has dropped to a 7.15

quote: the problem with this poll, is that there are alot of people who are extremely dissapointed, because they expected a 10, and civ is probably around a 7 for most peole (IMO) but there disapointed so they give it a 1, just because they are angry at firaxis. then some people will try and counter that by giving it 10's, even if its only about a 7-8 to them, etc. so this poll might end up becoming alot of 10's and 1's. hopefully it wont though

True, but what can ya do?

	19-12-2001 21:46									#22
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You have to realise that the average you're getting can be considered as "our" review of the game. We all know Civ 3 got 98% or so from gaming reviewers, but there were some pretty negative too.
And Apolytoners are just saying in this poll what's their review of the game!

So an average of 7 should really make Firaxis to think about what hard-core fans are thinking about the game. I see grades of 2 and 3 and, despite finding them unfair and insulting, they're nevertheless legitimate.

I gave it a 7, btw. Pre-patch version. I don't use the editor, so I don't think it's fair to grade an utility rather than the game itself. Of course the game got improvements (and it needed them) from the patch. But what Firaxis considers to be Civ 3's final version (1.07f) is what deserves to be graded.

	20-12-2001 00:28									#23
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102 votes and still going. Keep the votes coming in. The more votes, the closer to consensus we are.

	20-12-2001 00:45									#24
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i give it a 7. good, not great, and not approaching shiny-frisbee caliber.

	20-12-2001 02:06									#25
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After taking a dip, the ratings have taken another upturn. After 107 votes the average rating is at 7.56.

coldwizard- if you want people to visit your site, atleast provide the correct link

	20-12-2001 02:17									#26
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[previous statement retracted, damns own stupidity instead]

thanks for the heads up

Last edited by ColdWizard on 20-12-2001 at 02:26

	20-12-2001 02:28									#27
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I gave the game an 8, and people consider me a fanboy. The game needs work, but I still like to play it.

	20-12-2001 13:05									#28
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I gave it 9.

No, its not a perfect game, but whats there is fun.
It certainly can be improved, but for a great deal of changes (balancing unit values/hp so tanks do beat spearmen) can be done by us, the fans.

Of course, other things like stack-movement will need Firaxis to implement.

	20-12-2001 15:03									#29
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Note that as of the end of Dec 19 it's less than 10% that give the game less than a 5.

Note that it seems to be the same 5 or 10 (or fewer) posters who consistently slag the game.

Hmmmmmm.

Maybe there is a correlation.

Maybe there are just a few, very vocal, detractors.

Salve

	20-12-2001 18:14									#30
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While 118 voters are obviously not representative of the majority of the poly community, the average rating seems to be leveling out. It fell .04 overnight and seems to be stabilizing around 7.5. I will be going offline after today for awhile (holidays) and hope that this poll can be continued in my absence.

As someone pointed out, I think the Apolyton rating of civ3 is quite possibly, more important than what any single reviewer might thing. This place is the world hub of civilization online and its opinions on civ mean a lot. If firaxis wants a real rating, based on dozens of civ fanatics, they need look no further.

If this poll gets low, hopefully someone will bump it time to time. Surely we can get atleast another hundred or two opinions in the next week or two.