18-12-2001 07:38									#1
	Dip 61: Day of Apocralypse, Spring 1996 Moves Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Dip 61: Day of Apocralypse Spring 1996 Moves

GM
Al Awrence
E-mail: m_carreras@hotmail.com
ICQ# 102139615

Moves

Britain
*End Is Forever*
lindley91@yahoo.com
ICQ: 33689665
AIM: Endisforever91
F SAO-Gib
F MAO-SAO
F ENG-Bel *bounce*
F Nwy H
F NWG S F Nwy *support cut*
F NTH S F Nwy

Egypt
Taurus
E-Mail : angry_taurus@hotmail.com
ICQ#: 52073195
NMR! All units hold.
F Lbs
F Eme
F Sau
A Cai
A Asw

FRANCE
Chazzy
E-mail chazzy@execpc.com
ICQ#: 116124479
F-BOR>BRI
A-AUV HOLD
A-ALS>PAR
A-LYO>MAR *bounce*
A-MON>MAR *bounce*
A-SWI>MUN

Germany
VGR
E-Mail: vgraux@infonie.be
ICQ#: N/A
AIM: N/A
F DEN-SWE *bounce*
A PIC-BEL *bounce*
F HAM-BER *bounce*
F BHM S F HAM-BER *support cut*
A MUN-SAX *bounce, dislodged, RETREATS Als, Ruh, OTB*
A SLO-CZE *bounce*

Italy
Victor Galis
E-Mail: victorg@aol.com
ICQ#: 47756253
AIM: victorg
A Aus S French A Swi-Mun
A Hun S Turkish F Alb-Ser *support cut*
F Cro-Adr
F Lib S F Tun-Mal
F Tun-Mal
F Nap-Ion
F Rom-Nap
A Mil S A Aus
A Tus-Ven

Poland
Defiant
E-Mail: defiant@charter.net
ICQ#: 46172786
A-BER > FRA
A-SAX S A-BER > FRA *support cut*
F-BAL > BHM *bounce*
A=PRU > BER *bounce*
A-KRA > CZE *bounce*
A-WAR > KRA *bounce*

Russia
The Orange 1
E-Mail: the_orange1@hotmail.com
ICQ#: 109943271
A-Lap > Nor *bounce*
A-Swe S A-Lap > Nor *support cut*
F-Gob S A-Swe
F-Brn > Nwg *bounce*
F-Ros S A-Cau > Geo
F-Ank > Ist *bounce, dislodged, DESTROYED*
A-Geo > Ank *bounce*
A-Cau > Geo *bounce*

Spain
SnowFire
E-mail: Peter.Ingraham@oberlin.edu
ICQ#: 35476699
A Bar S A Nav
F WMe->SoG
F Lig->GoL
A Nav S A Por
A Por S A Nav

Turkey
orange
E-mail: bobby@udel.edu
ICQ#:91875872
AIM: OrangeSfwr
F Alb - Ser
A Bul - Ist *bounce, dislodged, RETREATS Ist, Mac, Gre, OTB*
F Ist - Ank
A Izm S F Ist - Ank
A Arm S F Ist - Ank
A Aze - Geo *bounce*

Ukraine
RUFFHAUS 8
E-mail: RUFFHAUS8@aol.com
ICQ: 63418710
AIM: RUFFHAUS8
A Kiev - Podolskiy *bounce*
A Podolskiy - Hungary *bounce*
A Serbia - Bulgaria
A Rumania supports A Serbia - Bulgaria
F Odessa supports A Rumania - hold
F Western Black Sea supports Russian F Ankara - Istanbul
F Eastern Black Sea supports Russian F Georgia - Ankara

Spring 1996 Map

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	18-12-2001 14:04									#2
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What does A Bul-Ist bounce with exactly?

	18-12-2001 14:19									#3
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And, IIRC, though the map doesn't show it, England owns Ireland.

	18-12-2001 15:28									#4
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Retreats to Istanbul, please

	18-12-2001 15:36									#5
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A-Bul can't retreat to Ist if that's where it was bounced out of in the previous turn - am I wrong?

	18-12-2001 15:37									#6
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A-Bul can't retreat to Ist if that's where it was bounced out of in the previous turn

	19-12-2001 00:12									#7
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Right, but I don't see what caused A Bul-Ist to bounce, hence it probably didn't bounce.

	19-12-2001 02:03									#8
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I know that this NMR is mostly my own fault, and yet I reserve the right to say 'Bah !'. I had no idea when the deadline was, and I'm regular to receiving an ICQ message before the deadline.

Anyway, I'll learn for next times.

	19-12-2001 02:06									#9
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ok, retreat to Gre then

	20-12-2001 01:05									#10
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quote: Originally posted by orange ok, retreat to Gre then

turkish A Bul-Ist bounces with Russian F Ank-Ist (destroyed) and thus may retreat only to Mac or gre

Bye and hail to the people having fun at me

BTW, do you know the "reply" button in your email client ? ;-)

	20-12-2001 03:04									#11
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Actually, Victor is correct here. Turkish A Bulgaria to Istanbul is uncontested because Turkish F Istanbul defeated (3v2) and dislodged Russian F Ankara on the Istanbul/Ankara border, which the Russian unit never crossed so there is no bounce.

	20-12-2001 06:18									#12
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You're right, dunno why I made the mistake there... I'll correct the map tomorrow. Sorry for the messup.

	21-12-2001 02:46									#13
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quote: Originally posted by RUFFHAUS 8 Actually, Victor is correct here. Turkish A Bulgaria to Istanbul is uncontested because Turkish F Istanbul defeated (3v2) and dislodged Russian F Ankara on the Istanbul/Ankara border, which the Russian unit never crossed so there is no bounce.

IMHO and comprehension of the rules set, there can be no retreat to a province claimed in the current turn (that is, either left, or accessed)
Here, Ist was claimed by Russian F Ank, it having been defeated notwithstanding.
This there can be no retreat to Ist, IMHO

Let's take another example : imagine a bounce and one of the two units being defeated (flanked). Could it retreat in the bounced-to province ? I'm sure it can not.

Another way : imagine a mutual arranged standoff (Vie and Bud on Tri) to protect Tri and leave it free for building. Imagine that italian A Tyr also tries to sneak into Tri. The purpose of the arranged standoff was exactly to repell it's attack.
Now, imagine that A Tyr is attacked and defeated by, say, a germano-french coalition. Could A Tyr retreat to Tri ? No.

the argument of 'it never crossed the border' is smoky (I try a translation of "fumeux") because I thought the rules stated that all moves are simultaneous.

This was my 0.01 € message of the day 8-)

	21-12-2001 07:00									#14
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Greece, Istanbul...I don't care! Just retreat the ****ing unit so I can waste all your asses with our nuclear arsenal! The Ottomans will rise again!!!!



....

In other news, President orange of Turkey has been declared criminally insane and has been deposed in a military coup. Turkey's acting dictator had this to say...

"well, after that outburst during the UN meeting, we realized it was time to kick the bastard out on his ass"

Last edited by orange on 21-12-2001 at 07:36

	21-12-2001 08:37									#15
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There's no bounce in Istanbul. Turkey won the conflict 3v2, moving from Istanbul to Ankara. Turkey vacated Istanbul in doing so. There's no restriction on retreating there.

	21-12-2001 09:09									#16
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ok, finally had the nerve to look at all the moves and decide.

I won 3v2 as Ruff said, therefore F Ank (Russian) never crossed the border and no bounce occured. So I need not make a retreat, because I have an army in Ist and a fleet in Ank.

:wild applause:

	24-12-2001 10:15									#17
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A MUN RETREATS Als

I thought I'd forgotten something.

	24-12-2001 10:18									#18
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Well, ok, I guess I ****ed this up when I wanted to make this smooth...

Moves extended till Dec 28th.

Map updated too.

	24-12-2001 13:43									#19
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Excellent.

	26-12-2001 07:28									#20
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Might I have 24 more hours? I will send in some preliminary moves, but I've been unable to do propper diplomacy since I am in the middle of nowhere, CA. Trying to use private messages now.

	26-12-2001 10:35									#21
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Ok.