21-12-2001 00:04									#1
	Realism.... Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

Nope....I'm definitely NOT trying to revive this scathing debate....but I did want to provide some links to the sorts of games that I think fans of realistic and detailed combat models would enjoy.

Pacific War

War in Russia

These two are both Grigsby designs.

More later....if the interest is there.

-=Vel=-

	21-12-2001 05:27									#2
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Why 'would' enjoy? I´ve got the original boxed version of both.

They are not without problems, however.

Everything seemed over-deterministic: I missed a realistic level of randomness. Second, they had very serious bugs. In the Pacific War game, I remember an overflow bug (similar to CivIII actually), that messed terribly with the Japanese ressources.

For me, 'realism' does not necessarily mean Grigsby. I found Imperialism II quite realistic, same with Europa Universalis, though the latter suffered from a weak AI. If they manage to do something about that in EUII, this will probably be the most realistic history game ever.