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Nakar Gabab is offline Nakar Gabab
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May 2001
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  Old Post 23-12-2001 08:07
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One thing I've noticed, much to my frustration, is that early-game wars in which I prosecute total routs upon the AI tend to result in their miraculous escape across the sea, to the other side of the next civ, etc... this really gets to me. Especially since that creates yet another furious civ which now has total security from being demolished despite brutal early attacks (and I mean early, 2-3 cities).

So I've started developing a "bottling" strategy. Basically, I use warriors, archers, and later horsemen (or jags if I'm the Aztecs, because hey, jags rock) to utterly annihilate improvements and capture workers, reducing the AI's cities to meager 1-2 size towns. By further positioning my forces a square away, counterattacks always work out in my favor, and if need be, I can strike at the city to weaken defenders, capture troops, and once catapults come around, keep them in the stone age. Much as I loathe using the AI's "I won't ever attack your actual CITIES" technique, early on it works wonders. Rather than wipe their civ out (or rather, wipe out their PRESENCE only to have them flee), I use them to farm slaves (err... workers) and increase troop morale, all the while building rapidly all around them. By the time the game really begins, I've rushed a granary and temple in every city and their 1-2 cities are nothing.

So, I suppose, is this the best early expansion strategy? Or is it better to concentrate solely on the settlement race? Or should I just wipe them out and sue for peace, hoping they're stuck somewhere where they can never hurt me? I think this strategy obviously leaves a lot of civs mad at you, but since they're meaningless anyway... well... it sure seems appealing to me. What's the downside?

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Sounds like a decent alternative to the Settling race, but I wouldn't stop settling while you are keeping your enemies in check. This would be perfect if you were actually allowed to capture settlers and re-use them to build your own cities, but expansion should be even easier with an army of workers on your continent.

Ecthy is offline Ecthy
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How would expansion be easier with an army of workers?

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If you've built roads to all the nice city locations, you can then move your settlers 3 times faster than the AI (assuming it doesnt use your roads).

A nice little trick you can use is to surround your territory with workers so no enemy settlers can get through without declaring war. Prolly too hard to do with only workers though.

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Now I see what you ere on about, building roads that is

Coach is offline Coach
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Bottling is too complicated. Just wipe them out. Kill, kill, kill. If they have an island outpost, get it later. OR, if you know they have it, try getting them down to a couple of cities, and have them give you the island in the peace treaty. Then go back to kill, kill, kill the cities you can reach.

Allemand is offline Allemand
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Feb 2000
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Bottling is like a cat playing with a mouse. Must be some fun in there somewhere. And there is

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