24-12-2001 10:48									#1
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I am almost done with getting 100 city names for each base civilization. I need about 70 more names to finish all of them.

Now I would like to get the ball rolling for the heroes of each civilization. My idea is to name them using the following areas:

2 Political
2 Artisans
2 Military
2 Scientists
2 Mythological

If anyone can assist by providing names with their category that are verifiable, your help will be greatly appreciated!

	24-12-2001 14:53									#2
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I can offer some Leader names for the German Civilization.

Political leader:
Karl der Große / Carl the Great/Carolus Magnus
Friedrich Babrossa
Otto von Bismark
Friedrich Ebert

Artisans:
Wolfgang von Goethe
Friedisch Schiller
Johan Sebastian Bach
Ludwig van Bethoven
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart

Military:
Karl der Große
Friedrich I.
Helmut Graf von Moltke

Scientists:
Albert Einstein
Johannes Kepler

Mythological:
Siegfried
Friedrich Babrossa

	05-01-2002 06:43									#3
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For the Babylonians:

Political
- Sargon
- Enlil-Nasser
- Nebuchadnezzar
- Belsaruzar
- Ashurbanipal
Military
- Tikulti-Ninib (Shar Kishate of Assyria and Babylon)
- Nabopolassar
- Sennacherib
Scientist
- Adashamushshumikur
- Ninurta-Tikulti-Ashur-Shamushuki
Mythological
- Gilgamesh
- Sumu-Abum


Persians:

Political
- Artaxerxes I - III
- Arces (Artaxerxes IV)
- Darius III
- Cambeses I - II
Military
- Cyrus the Great
- Darius the Great
- Adashir
Mythological
- Achaemenes
- Tiespa


Egyptians:

Political
- Cheops (Khufu)
- Hor-Aha
- Djoser (Zoser)
- Userkaf
Artisan
- Ptolemy II Philadelphus (famous for the arts)
- Akhaton
Military
- Ramesses (Ramses) II The Great
- Hatshepsut
- Seti
- Thutmoses III the Conqueror
Scientist
- Ptolemy
- Magos
Mythological
- Menes
- Thinises


Greeks:

Political
- Epaminandos
- Aratus of Sicyon
- Philipoemon of Megalopolis
- Demosthenes (the orator ruled Athens when Philip invaded)
Military
- Demetrius
- Cassander
- Cleomenes
Scientist
- Archimedes
Mythological
- Lycurgus


Romans:

Political
- Hadrian
Artisan
- Livy
Military
- Scipio Africanus
- Aemilius Paulus
- Augustus
- Trajan
Mythological
- Romulus
- Remus

	09-01-2002 23:03									#4
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Well only about 10 more civs to go!!!

All the city names are done so this is the last element to finish.

I'm sorry I have not been more active the past two weeks but the boards were down and I had much to do work wise. Anyway, I'm back in the groove!

	10-01-2002 02:29									#5
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Hold on-American mythological figures!?!?

	10-01-2002 05:42									#6
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quote: American mythological figures!?!?

Sure there is:
Paul Bunyan(sp) and his Big Blue Ox
Johnny Apple Seed

I am sure there are more, those are just the first two off the top of my head.

	10-01-2002 17:44									#7
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Yeah, I'm kind of vexed on it as well. The great melting pot country is hard pressed to lay claim to its own myth much like England (we need our own JRR Toliken). Time to break out the ol US history books.

	10-01-2002 17:50									#8
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BTW: I would like to avoid using comic book and movie heroes if possible. Some how "A great leader named Aquaman appeared in New York" just does not sound right.

Maybe Superman......

	10-01-2002 22:20									#9
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Lets see.......well alot of american real people were turned into myths........

so you could take someone like davey crockett and say thats myth...

more like a tall tale......

Rosie the riveter
GI Joe
Superman would be good, truth justice and the american way

	11-01-2002 08:05									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Mongoloid Cow Greeks: Mythological - Lycurgus

There are a million Greek myths, yet you have one, only one, and I haven't even heard of it

	11-01-2002 10:01									#11
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quote: Originally posted by darkangel BTW: I would like to avoid using comic book and movie heroes if possible. Some how "A great leader named Aquaman appeared in New York" just does not sound right. Maybe Superman......

Wait... are you saying Aquaman isn't real?????


Dan

	11-01-2002 11:24									#12
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Ahhh…. Not in my universe! But if the general feeling of the community is to go with American pop culture over -what shall we call it?

The Institutionalized Idolism (maybe?) of classical civilizations then why not.

	11-01-2002 18:33									#13
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quote: Originally posted by The Dark Force I can offer some Leader names for the German Civilization. Political leader: Karl der Große / Carl the Great/Carolus Magnus Friedrich Babrossa Otto von Bismark Friedrich Ebert Artisans: Wolfgang von Goethe Friedisch Schiller Johan Sebastian Bach Ludwig van Bethoven Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Military: Karl der Große Friedrich I. Helmut Graf von Moltke Scientists: Albert Einstein Johannes Kepler Mythological: Siegfried Friedrich Babrossa

Good job Dark Force, but sorry, for the sake of correctness I have to change the spelling of some names you wrote (just not to create more "Richtoffen" --> Richthofen):

Friedrich Babrossa --> Friedrich Barbarossa (Frederick Barbarossa)
Otto von Bismark --> Otto von Bismarck (he is the big boss anyway and can't be used as a GL)
Wolfgang von Goethe --> Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (that matters!)
Friedisch Schiller --> Friedrich Schiller
Johan Sebastian Bach --> Johann Sebastian Bach
Ludwig van Bethoven --> Ludwig van Beethoven

I'm absolutely sure that these spellings are correct.

	11-01-2002 21:15									#14
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Mmh, I think that the "Artisans" and "political" should be replaced by "artists" (after all, the player is already the political leader).

Greeks :

Militarists
- Themistocles
- Miltiades

Scientists
- Aristotle
- Archimedes
- Thales
- Pythagores

Cultural
- Socrates
- Plato
- Diogene
- Homer
- Aristophane

Mythological
- Odysseus
- Achilles
- Theseus
- Jason
- Hector
- Paris
- Daedalus



Romans

Military
- Maximus
- Scypio
- Marius
- Stilicho

Scientist
- Pliny the Elder

Cultural
- Virgil

Mythological
- Romulus
- take basically any greek mythological and put their roman name in place of the original one




French

Military
- Jeanne d'Arc (yes, here is her REAL position, not as the leader :P)
- de Gaulle
- Turennes
- du Guesclin
- Baillard
- Bonaparte (before he was emperor)

Scientists
- Marie Curie
- Fermat
- Pascal
- Champollion
- Lavoisier
- Pasteur

Cultural
- Voltaire
- Rousseau
- Diderot
- Jules Verne
- Montesquieu
- Montaigne
- Victor Hugo

Mythological
- Lancelot du Lac
- Roland de Ronceveaux


English

Military
- Wellington
- Nelson
- Cromwell

Scientists
- Darwin

Cultural
- Shakespeare
- Tolkien
- Shelley

Mythological
- King Arthur
- Robin Hood (don't know if he should be here or in the military leaders)


Russians

Military
- Jukov
- Koutousov

Scientists
- Tesla
- Mendeliev

Cultural
- Tolstoi
- Chekhov
- Solzhenitsyn
- Dostoevsky

Mythological
?

Last edited by Akka on 12-01-2002 at 18:03

	12-01-2002 05:14									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil - Marie Cury - Shakespear

I know Shakespear, is wrong, but I'm not your what's right (I'm intelligent!). Also, it's Marie Curie. BTW, where is Aristotle? His scientific beliefs were believed by Europe true for at least a thousand years

	12-01-2002 12:38									#16
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Greeks:

POLITICAL
Demosthenes (Orator)
MILITARY
Epaminondas (beat Sparta in war)
Cleomenes (FamousSpartan King)
Philip II (Conquered Greece)
SCIENTIST
Archimedes (Physicist)
Aristotle
Plato
Socrates
MYTHOLOGICAL
Agamemnon (Mycenian/Minoan Hero)
Menelaus
Odysseus (In the Odyssey)
Achilles
Jason (Argonaut?)
Lycurgus (created Spartan state, strict laws, etc etc making Spartans the superior people in Greece with wit, strength, and warfare)



Babylonians:

POLITICAL
Tikulti-Ninib (first Shar Kishate)
Nebuchadnezzar (Built Hanging Gardens, Ishtar Gate, enslaved Canaanites)
Erishum II (built huge libraries in Assyria)
Enlil-Nasser
ARTISAN
Igigi
Imu
MILITARY
Sargon (Great Assyrian conquerors)
Ashurbanipal (Great Conqueror)
Sennacherib
SCIENTIST
Adashamushshumikur
Ninurta-Tikulti-Ashur
MYTH
Gilgamesh (From Ur I think)
Sumu-Abum (First King of Babylon)



Egyptians:

POLITICAL
Hatshepsut (Queen, Conqueror, Builder, Diplomat)
Cheops (Khufu - Built Great Pyramid)
ARTISAN
Akhenaton (Built Akheton, one of Egypts many different capitals)
MILITARY
Ramesses II (Ramses) the Great (Conqueror)
Thutmosis III (Conqueror)
Seti (Conqueror)
SCIENTIST
Ptolemy (Geographer)
Imhotep (Architect)
MYTH
Menes (legendary unifier)
Thinises (founded Thinis - first capital)



English

POLITICAL
Alfred (I think) the Great
Henry VIII
Cromwell (Republic)
ARTISAN
Tolkein
Shelly
Shakespeare (all ready a wonder of him)
MILITARY
Edward (Conqueror)
William the Conqueror (I think he was English)
Wellington
Nelson
SCIENTIST
Charles Darwin
MYTH
King Arthur

Last edited by Mongoloid Cow on 13-01-2002 at 05:29

	12-01-2002 18:01									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Jer8m8 I know Shakespear, is wrong, but I'm not your what's right (I'm intelligent!). Also, it's Marie Curie. BTW, where is Aristotle? His scientific beliefs were believed by Europe true for at least a thousand years

Hu, mistyping as it seems
Well, Aristotle ? I just couldn't remember him, though I KNEW that there were someone I was forgetting
Thank for the reminding

	12-01-2002 21:09									#18
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IMHO you should include Imhotep somewhere in the Egyptian list. He is the first known architect in history, famous for Zoser's step pyramid and funerary temple. Over 2000 years later he was deified by the Ptolemies (sp?), thought to be the same as the Greek Hippocrates (he was famous as a medical genius too ).

	13-01-2002 06:31									#19
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try not to repeat the others

English

Political
Churchill
Queen Victoria
Boedica
Cromwell ( more political than military )
Henry VIII

Military
Henry V
Nelson
Wellington
Sir Francis Drake

Scientist
Darwin
Newton
Captain Cook
Charles Babbage
Michael Faraday
Alan Turing

Cultural
Chaucer
Dickens
Beatles

Mythological
King Arthur
Merlin

you might this interesting
http://www.pibburns.com/mythregi.htm
Regional Folklore and Mythology

	13-01-2002 17:11									#20
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quote: Originally posted by The Dark Force I can offer some Leader names for the German Civilization. Political leader: Karl der Große / Carl the Great/Carolus Magnus Friedrich Babrossa Otto von Bismark Friedrich Ebert

Friedrich Ebert, urks gotta hate him.

Political Leaders
Konrad Adenauer
Willy Brandt

Scientist
Otto Hahn
Johannes Gutenberg
Werner Karl Heisenberg
Gustav Ludwig Hertz
Johannes Stark
Max Karl Ernst Ludwig Planck ( or short Max Planck )
Max von Laue
Erwin Schrödinger ( Austrian but worked in Berlin )

	13-01-2002 21:54									#21
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quote: Originally posted by nibbles English Political Boedica

She's Celtic. Check the civilizations forum, ther planning an expansion pack with extra civs including the Celts

	03-02-2002 13:13									#22
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Greetings!

Sorry about not being here the past 2 weeks. I could not get into the boards and my PC had a major crash and I had to rebuild.

	05-02-2002 04:14									#23
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Hi All!

May be need categorizing leaders by methods of Victory (near to) and apart Mithological:

A. Mithological
B. Military (Conquest)
C. Diplomatic (Political)
D. Geographical Exploring
E. Scientist (Technology)
F. Cultural


Divided flat for three by eras: Ancient, Middle, Industrial/Modern.

And leader must be important for History and people hope. So not all slots is filled for wich nation

So:

Russians:
A: Ilya of Murom (Ilya Muromets)
B: Aleksandr Nevsky;John IV the Terrible (Ivan Grozny); Peter the Great; Mikhail Kutuzov; Georgy Zhukov
C: Vladimir Svyatoslavich; Alexander I (Aleksandr); Boris Yeltsin
D: Athanasy Nikitin; Sergey Dezhnyov; Kruzenshtern
E: Mikhaylo Lomonosov; Sergey Korolyov
F: Aleksandr Pushkin; Dostoyevsky; Anton Chekhov; Pyotr Chaykovsky

Greecs:
A: Teseo;
B: Themistokles; Leonides
C: Lycurges
D: Jason; Odisseos
E: Aristotles; Euklides; Demokrites
F: Euripides; Sophokles

Romans:
A: Romul
B: Scipion the Junior; Trajan; Giuseppe Garibaldi
C: Marcus Aurelian
D: ?
E: Pliny the Senior; Vitruvius; Galileo Galilei; Giordano Bruno; Marconi;
F: Vergilius; Mecenatus; Ovidius; Dante; Petrarca

etc.