06-01-2002 05:52									#1
	MOD wanted: Ethnic Cleansing Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Could someone create a military order to kill all citizens of a certain nationality in a city.
For instance, I recaptured Kyoto with 3Germans and 6Japanese. I don't want to raze the city but would like to KILL the Japanese to reduce the level of dissidents.

Please, it would be useful!

	06-01-2002 06:53									#2
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That's evil man! Just plain EVIL!


But I would use it also in many cases

	06-01-2002 07:06									#3
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quote: Originally posted by ****gyRA That's evil man! Just plain EVIL! But I would use it also in many cases

A NECESSARY evil

	06-01-2002 07:36									#4
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I think it can only be done under totalitarian regime, and if there are other democratic regimes and there's mass media, there's a chance they hear aobut it and embargo you or declare war

	06-01-2002 07:39									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov I think it can only be done under totalitarian regime, and if there are other democratic regimes and there's mass media, there's a chance they hear aobut it and embargo you or declare war

I think it should invoke some pretty harsh diplomatic penalties, but if at war, it should really be able to go unnoticed. Furthermore, under democratic governments ones own citizens would definately be protesting.

	06-01-2002 16:16									#6
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GENIUS!

And perhaps there would be a chance (if the UN was built) that you could be put on trial for war crimes and have some appropriate penalty - trade embargoes, increased unhappiness, payment of certain war indemnities per turn to the affected Civ...

	06-01-2002 16:23									#7
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Ya, that would be so cool!

The only cleansing we have now is starvation, but completely killing a section of a city should really be in the game, and you should get a bonus to it if ur Germany

	06-01-2002 16:29									#8
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You mean like a penalty where your Civ gets split in half?

	06-01-2002 16:33									#9
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Actually, a penalty for killing off some other civ people in a city can be that other cities that also have that civ's culture or a high population of that civ might try to overthrow that city before it is cleansed.

War with that civ could come again if you do that, or...

Mayb a new civ is created through the mixed breeding and takes over half of your empire

That happened in Civ 2, didn't it? It was so cool, and deserves to be in Civ 3 either by a scenario or a mod.

	06-01-2002 16:40									#10
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It sure happened in Civ, AKA the Almighty. Dunno 'bout CivII, never happened to me in 3 years of playing...

It IS an excellent idea but yet might not be too easy to accomplish for all the complex issues built up by CivII and III. The last time I pillaged all the roads around Paris the game just froze for 20 seconds just figuring out all the trade implications. Now imagine that to the nth degree as the game tries to set up a whole new Civ in the middle of the industrial era (say)! And ppl now are having slowdown probs without this extra feature!

It would really be the end...

But otherwise I like it.

	07-01-2002 03:35									#11
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I never really did like the function of Civil War leading to 2 Civilizations, especially the fact that this lead to American's suddenly becoming Chinese, however in the context you specified, this would work well, that is, once people realise you are killing off Chinese people in your American cities, all American cities with more people of Chinese, it's allies, and civilizations you're at war with than Americans, and civilizations you're at peace or allied with, should have a very high chance of revolting to the chinese civilization.

Ethnic cleansing should be limited to 1 population per unit per turn. There should be very severe repuccusions to it, as it is really a major declaration of we Americans are superior and should lead to very major wars. It would provide a very good alternative to razing cities.

As for Slowdown problems, I don't really see them happening, as it only really takes my PII366 with 64MBRAM about 3 seconds to recalculate a conquered city. So say 28 cities@3secs=84secs. And that is on a SLOW computer. As for what was said about pillaging roads outside paris, the result should have already been computed when your unit moved onto the tile with the last remaining road, not once the road was destroyed.

	07-01-2002 03:43									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt GENIUS!

Yes, It's true, at age 16 with an IQ of 152 I am regarded as a genius, and my mates would regard me as genius for 100%ing the end-of-year maths exam. But damn, I'm still waiting for those SC results.

	07-01-2002 06:14									#13
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Let me know if you beat my 97% in SC Maths from 6 years ago!

(Sorry for the OT everyone, but we Kiwis are few and far between in here.)

	07-01-2002 06:25									#14
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Let me know if you beat my 97% in SC Maths from 6 years ago! (Sorry for the OT everyone, but we Kiwis are few and far between in here.)

Think you will soon be beaten

	07-01-2002 06:27									#15
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You Kiwis are evil. Pure evil!

	07-01-2002 06:30									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Zanzin You Kiwis are evil. Pure evil!

Stuff you Kangaroo

	07-01-2002 06:34									#17
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What about reintroducing disasters? We could have volcanoes, earthquakes, and, oh, I don't know, FIRES?

Just an innocent thought.

	07-01-2002 06:36									#18
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MWAHAHA!

	07-01-2002 06:37									#19
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt What about reintroducing disasters? We could have volcanoes, earthquakes, and, oh, I don't know, FIRES? Just an innocent thought.

Don't like them, to much micromanagement/destruction. What happens when Wellington gets blocked off.

	07-01-2002 09:11									#20
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161, I like to brag. I'm also a music writing hermitish freak.

	07-01-2002 09:53									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Jrad 161, I like to brag. I'm also a music writing hermitish freak.

Enough, OT was only for us curious NZ'ers. But lets get back to the point, ETHNIC CLEANSING, in my opinion a good idea.

OK your IQ is better than mine, but are you regarded as an ADULT, or is your result still less due to underageness.

	07-01-2002 09:55									#22
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Fires???

That reminds me of an old idea I never mentioned for one reason or the other in the civ3 suggestions forum. As well as hacking down forests, It should be possible to raze them too.