06-01-2002 10:07									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf THEY AREN'T THERE TO FIGHT.

So why are they sweeping caves?

	06-01-2002 10:08									#32
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THEY AREN'T.

	06-01-2002 10:08									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Gareth Edmunson Asher, I knows its different politically, but as far as people are concerned, I didn't notice any maked differences from just talking to people. They had the same accent as Ontarians, etc...

Err...christ, seriously, shut the hell up.
That's like saying Texans have the same accents as New Yorkers. The accent that's on TV is the Ontario accent, Alberta/BC have the same accent as the mid-western US.

quote: And Wiglaf is right about Canada and the TV Crews. Everything the Canadian military does is just for. Canada sends 3 troops into Somalia or something just so it can say "horray for Canada, we're peacekeepers!". Canada will go into Afghanistan (after the US and Britain do all the work, and Wiglaf, the UK did help alot), and then probably claim they did more than the US afterwards. Priicks.

I'm not saying Canada's a formidable military force, never did. We're sending our share to do what's needed, what more can you ask for?

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quote: Originally posted by H Tower why don't we just buy wiggy a ticket to aghanistan and let him try to kill a canadien or australian or brit? that way he could learn first hand that they aren't just for show.

Good idea

	06-01-2002 11:20									#35
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quote: Err...christ, seriously, shut the hell up. That's like saying Texans have the same accents as New Yorkers. The accent that's on TV is the Ontario accent, Alberta/BC have the same accent as the mid-western US.

No its not. Please...even the accent of people who talk on TV isn't that different than the midwest. In fact, they're pretty much the same. And no one talks like they do on TV anyways. Jesus.

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quote: Originally posted by Gareth Edmunson No its not. Please...even the accent of people who talk on TV isn't that different than the midwest. In fact, they're pretty much the same. And no one talks like they do on TV anyways. Jesus.

I can tell when someone is from Eastern, Central, or Western Canada. There are variations in the accents. I've lived here much longer than you have.

The point is, Alberta is far closer to America in just about every way than it is to Canada.

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf All while Tony Blair talks with India and smiles for the camera, yet again. We're out there dying, the brits/aussies/etc ain't doing anything. NOTHING. http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/05/so...obit/index.html Look at that, and tell me something isn't wrong. Father of two children, devoted soldier fighting for something his country had to do alone. We were promised aid, but it only came in the financial and political forms. I'd go so far now to declare Britain, Germany, France, Australia, and Canada rouge and rogue nations at this point that are much more concerned about their own selves and well-being than America's current and dangerous situation. Really, if Britain hadn't fired off those ten cruise missiles with our initial wave, and they got hit by a terrorist strike just days later (which at the time was highly likely), it'd look awful in the public eye to suddenly join the fight and claim to be sticking up for us at the same time. Their early "assistance" was for show - they were scared for themselves alone. And now an innocent man is dead for it. For Blair's politics...for his own courage. I'm not attacking british people personally or anything, but you have to admit: someone screwed up, and it's your government. The government you essentially elected. "We are so proud that he had grown into such a wonderful son, who was a proud father, loving husband, and devoted to serving his country," said a statement from Chapman's parents. "He loved the Army and referred to his unit as his second family. He loved what he was doing, and he was willing to do whatever he had to do," his father said. "He was a wonderful son, and we're going to miss him." Let me know when a British troop dies that sort of horrible death. It'll never happen. But NONE of you will ever realize that. Makes me sick, to see these good people die for the world and get no appreciation or respect out of the international community for it. I wouldn't be so upset if some of you brits would at least come to realize just who's risking themselves for your well being - us, the Americans. Doing the dirty work.

You are no better than MarkL and his ignorant rants. Stop using the death of someone as a chance to troll. If you are so patriotic then get out there and join them.

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quote: The point is, Alberta is far closer to America in just about every way than it is to Canada.

hehe if you defect maybe people won't think you are wussies anymore

	06-01-2002 11:43									#39
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Hey Wiggy, here's a reason:

Its not their war. Its our war. They're doing their stuff in Europe...where they've arrested (I believe last count was) 250 conspiritors.

We don't NEED them to win in Afghanistan. The soldier who died was in a group that was AMBUSHED, meaning not on "the front lines" wherever those may be.

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Wiglaf.

Read a newspaper.

A British SAS squaddie was critically injured before Christmas whilst storming a Taliban strongpoint. He survived. Others in his unit escaped serious injury due to their body armour.

While the SAS are being used predominantly for covert reconnaissance (at the request of the US military- it's what they do best), they are also actively deployed.

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Friends, Euros, fellow Americans,

I can truly and unequivocally speak for my countrymen when I say:

Wiglaf is a dumbass

We tried to ship Syrup to Columbia but they wouldn't take him.

	06-01-2002 19:06									#42
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Ted

	06-01-2002 19:14									#43
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Wig - there's something interesting in the statement We're out there dying instead of your guys. I think it's got something to do with the fact that you talk like you're personally in Afghanistan risking your life for God, the flag and the pursuit of happiness

	06-01-2002 19:23									#44
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Ted - complete agreement.

I know it's tempting to reply to such an obvious troll, but we could always try ignoring him completely...maybe he'd go away?

	06-01-2002 19:55									#45
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Okay, I don't want to lose track of the two major points here:

1) Wiglaf's laughable
2) Most Americans are truly grateful for the assistance of our allies, especially those in the British Commonwealth.

But that being said, no one has mentioned the most interesting fact about this casualty: he's the first American soldier to be killed by the enemy! All the other fatalities have been the result of friendly fire. So when you say, "we're dying out there," you really mean "we're killing ourselves out there." It's not clear why we should want anyone to join us in that.

	06-01-2002 20:00									#46
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You guys have no idea how frustrating this is. Calling me a dumbass, a loser, etc doesn't amount to an actual, valid arguement.

A troll doesn't have to be wrong. Or bad. After all, people piss off themselves when they overreact to my posts by ranting off one line "screw-yous" instead of worthwhile responses. I've got nothing to do with it. The interesting subject matter prompts confusion, and eventually leads to anger, which then prompts the next logical thought: I must be the source of your anger. Nothing but an evil bastard troll who went against the flow. Which is unjust. Everything in my first post was accurate and to a certain extent, thought-provoking. The definition of a troll needs a quick change, cause I'm sure as hell not one. More like a free thinker.

Anyway:

quote: Read a newspaper. A British SAS squaddie was critically injured before Christmas whilst storming a Taliban strongpoint. He survived. Others in his unit escaped serious injury due to their body armour.

I'm interested in your definition of 'critical'. Link?

quote: Its not their war. Its our war. They're doing their stuff in Europe...where they've arrested (I believe last count was) 250 conspiritors.

Its our war UNTIL we're promised support. And HTower, my earlier post you quoted was right on: I predicted a month ago that they were in it for the politics, and now I'm here in January showing just how right I was. Our guy is dead, still nothing.

Look beyond the "buy me a ticket" arguements for a sec and you'll see that.

quote: But that being said, no one has mentioned the most interesting fact about this casualty: he's the first American soldier to be killed by the enemy! All the other fatalities have been the result of friendly fire. So when you say, "we're dying out there," you really mean "we're killing ourselves out there." It's not clear why we should want anyone to join us in that.

Explain the prison riot that killed our CIA officer. And explain why none of your troops have had any accidents, or a downed chopper. Or a poor cruise missile. You aren't fighting, and that by itself is horribly wrong.

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf You guys have no idea how frustrating this is. Calling me a dumbass, a loser, etc doesn't amount to an actual, valid arguement.

You have to admit they have a point. Do you have any idea how excrutiating or offensive your comments. I know people, friends of my family, who are in the marines who are currently in Afghanistan. So just take your stupid, filthy mouth you turd and f**k off

quote: A troll doesn't have to be wrong. Or bad. After all, people piss off themselves when they overreact to my posts by ranting off one line "screw-yous" instead of worthwhile responses. I've got nothing to do with it. The interesting subject matter prompts confusion, and eventually leads to anger, which then prompts the next logical thought: I must be the source of your anger. Nothing but an evil bastard troll who went against the flow. Which is unjust. Everything in my first post was accurate and to a certain extent, thought-provoking. The definition of a troll needs a quick change, cause I'm sure as hell not one. More like a free thinker.

You're full of ****, you like sense of sensitivity. You really are one of the most despised people on Apolyton. You give a bad impression of your countrymen, your fellow countrymen dread it when you put your big mouth in it and say something stupid.

quote: I'm interested in your definition of 'critical'. Link?

Find any British paper Wiggy, any site, it will be on there. I am sure you are capable of a web search, although with that feeble brain of yours I somehow doubt it Critically injured, you know, within inches of being killed but was lucky. Take a hike.

quote: Its our war UNTIL we're promised support. And HTower, my earlier post you quoted was right on: I predicted a month ago that they were in it for the politics, and now I'm here in January showing just how right I was. Our guy is dead, still nothing.

There are troops in there of ours, in fact, British forces make up the biggest force in there doing the peacekeeping as well as involved in the operation. Here's a link that you can ram up your arse and f**k off with!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wo...000/1718879.stm

Good enough?

quote: Explain the prison riot that killed our CIA officer. And explain why none of your troops have had any accidents, or a downed chopper. Or a poor cruise missile. You aren't fighting, and that by itself is horribly wrong.

Because the forces we have used have been more covert, eg, SAS or other secret services, to hit at the core. It is something this countries special forces are good at.

Now go away Wiglaf, go back to your nursery and learn something

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I'd just like to say 2 things:
1) Wiglaf's an idiot. As an American, I think it's fairly obvious that the UK/Canada/Australia are good friends. France, however, may be invaded by Germany again and be ruled for a thousand years of darkness for refusing to let the USA use its air space.

2) We don't know if nay other forces have died. It's possible it's classified.

3) Not to insult the guy, but this is only one soldier. That's incredibly good. More have probably died, but the ratio's still heavily in our favor.

4) Bin Laden's against the west. He's said so himself; he wants to unify islamic states and use it to dominate the world. Most extremist islamic groups express similar views about world domination. Do some research.

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PH..you always fall for the trolls.

	06-01-2002 21:21									#51
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Wiglaf, for once I agree with the people here. You are loud and highly uninformed. You make a big deal about a US Solider dying. Well, take a look at the facts: The United States toppled the taliban with two deaths unrelated to accidents, one was that CIA agent and the other was the Special Forces Solider. Two deaths! Now that is quite something. In total there was 8 or 9, perhaps 10. The Taliban on the other hand probably lost thousands of their militiamen.

I do feel that Europe, Australia and Canada are doing the most they should be doing and displaying it in an adequate manner. My counry Spain is going to dedicate some troops to the peacekeeping operations, because it wasn´t necessary for us to join in fighting such a small enemy. The US Marines and Army could handle it themselves.

	06-01-2002 21:40									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf You guys have no idea how frustrating this is. Calling me a dumbass, a loser, etc doesn't amount to an actual, valid arguement. A troll doesn't have to be wrong. Or bad. After all, people piss off themselves when they overreact to my posts by ranting off one line "screw-yous" instead of worthwhile responses. I've got nothing to do with it. The interesting subject matter prompts confusion, and eventually leads to anger, which then prompts the next logical thought: I must be the source of your anger. Nothing but an evil bastard troll who went against the flow. Which is unjust. Everything in my first post was accurate and to a certain extent, thought-provoking. The definition of a troll needs a quick change, cause I'm sure as hell not one. More like a free thinker. Anyway: I'm interested in your definition of 'critical'. Link? Its our war UNTIL we're promised support. And HTower, my earlier post you quoted was right on: I predicted a month ago that they were in it for the politics, and now I'm here in January showing just how right I was. Our guy is dead, still nothing. Look beyond the "buy me a ticket" arguements for a sec and you'll see that. Explain the prison riot that killed our CIA officer. And explain why none of your troops have had any accidents, or a downed chopper. Or a poor cruise missile. You aren't fighting, and that by itself is horribly wrong.

Link here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk...000/1676858.stm

	06-01-2002 21:42									#53
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For the benefit of those who don't use links...

quote: Four British soldiers have been wounded in Afghanistan, Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon has disclosed. The wounded men were airlifted back to Britain for treatment and none are thought to have suffered life threatening injuries, although one was seriously hurt. There was no word of how the soldiers were injured, although it is thought likely they were special forces as they were not from the contingent currently stationed at Bagram airbase. BBC defence correspondent Paul Adams said: "That to me suggests that these are special forces operating somewhere else in Afghanistan." He said it was possible they were involved in a gun battle near the northern city of Mazar-e-Sharif over the weekend, when eye witnesses claimed to have seen British troops operating on the ground. A direct result of the situation being better than anyone could have predicted rather than worse Downing Street spokesman Mr Hoon also confirmed UK soldiers are being stood down from their 48-hour notice for mobilisation to the region. Mr Hoon said most of the 6,000 British troops on two-day standby for possible action in Afghanistan were being stood down from their high alert in the wake of the widespread collapse of Taleban control. The defence secretary paid tribute to the "professionalism and gallantry" of UK soldiers working inside the war-torn country.

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With such a first post, it's quite impossible for me not to respond to this thread, but I don't have time to read everything, and I'm sure you don't want my input on something that was said around the 20th post, so I'll start from somewhere in the middle.

"Everything in my first post was accurate and to a certain extent, thought-provoking."

-Maybe if you're some sort of redneck ultraconservative American. Otherwise, it falls just short of being an honest attempt to provoke a debate. It really is a crappy troll.

"Our guy is dead, still nothing."

-You insist this is a war, but whine when ONE soldier dies? You know more people were killed by drunk drivers on America's highways on the same night.

"You aren't fighting, and that by itself is horribly wrong."

-Given America's foreign policy it is hypocritical to expect other countries to stick up for it.

"France, however, may be invaded by Germany again and be ruled for a thousand years of darkness for refusing to let the USA use its air space."

-Ummm... France has nukes, Germany doesn't.

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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis -Ummm... France has nukes, Germany doesn't.

It is still France however. All you have to do is fart in thier general direction and they'll surrender the whole country to your control.

	06-01-2002 22:58									#56
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"It is still France however. All you have to do is fart in thier general direction and they'll surrender the whole country to your control."

-Just because they lost one war really quickly... doesn't mean they suck. (Especially not in my EU2 game, where I've beaten England into submission, and force vassalized it by 1460, and who for some reason actually likes me now.)

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quote: I do feel that Europe, Australia and Canada are doing the most they should be doing and displaying it in an adequate manner. My counry Spain is going to dedicate some troops to the peacekeeping operations, because it wasn't necessary for us to join in fighting such a small enemy. The US Marines and Army could handle it themselves.

Ugh. The little that they're doing is all for public relations, and hardly for strategic benefit. Really, why bother with ten cruise missiles the first night and have nothing to follow up after? Because ten cruise missiles is apparantly more than enough to win over people like you, Gian. And it's much safer than losing people to an ambush, helicopter crash, or prison riot. No, only Americans can die in this war. It's sick.

quote: Link here.

Please define 'critical'.

quote: -You insist this is a war, but whine when ONE soldier dies? You know more people were killed by drunk drivers on America's highways on the same night.

I whine when one American soldier dies while the brits, aussies, etc send nothing but words and 'peacekeepers' after promising much much more to the public. One very immoral PR move is what I'm pissed about.

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We send nothing but 'peacekeepers'? First you are saying that we do nothing, now you are complaining that the kind of soldiers we send are not the right type. We have provided you with lots of assistance, and now my own country has the leading role in restoring order in Afghanistan. All you seem to be concerned with is is how much you can blow up F**king warmonger.

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Wiglaf, why don't you join the military?

Your fellow countrymen are DYING out there and you're here *****ing about the people helping them.

Shed a few hundred pounds, pick up a rifle, and go find me Bin Laden. Anything else is un-American and useless!