06-01-2002 08:49									#1
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All while Tony Blair talks with India and smiles for the camera, yet again. We're out there dying, the brits/aussies/etc ain't doing anything. NOTHING.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/01/05/so...obit/index.html

Look at that, and tell me something isn't wrong. Father of two children, devoted soldier fighting for something his country had to do alone. We were promised aid, but it only came in the financial and political forms. I'd go so far now to declare Britain, Germany, France, Australia, and Canada rouge and rogue nations at this point that are much more concerned about their own selves and well-being than America's current and dangerous situation.

Really, if Britain hadn't fired off those ten cruise missiles with our initial wave, and they got hit by a terrorist strike just days later (which at the time was highly likely), it'd look awful in the public eye to suddenly join the fight and claim to be sticking up for us at the same time. Their early "assistance" was for show - they were scared for themselves alone. And now an innocent man is dead for it. For Blair's politics...for his own courage.

I'm not attacking british people personally or anything, but you have to admit: someone screwed up, and it's your government. The government you essentially elected.

"We are so proud that he had grown into such a wonderful son, who was a proud father, loving husband, and devoted to serving his country," said a statement from Chapman's parents. "He loved the Army and referred to his unit as his second family. He loved what he was doing, and he was willing to do whatever he had to do," his father said. "He was a wonderful son, and we're going to miss him."

Let me know when a British troop dies that sort of horrible death. It'll never happen. But NONE of you will ever realize that. Makes me sick, to see these good people die for the world and get no appreciation or respect out of the international community for it. I wouldn't be so upset if some of you brits would at least come to realize just who's risking themselves for your well being - us, the Americans. Doing the dirty work.

	06-01-2002 08:57									#4
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Oh come on guys, surely he's doing this intentionally.



You just knows he laughs his ass off at this stuff.

The same story as a similar thread of his: He *****es at the other countries for not doing anything, when the US is the nation that has to answer for its abusive foreign policies in the past, and also tells all the countries that want to help to go away. You just can't win with that, and I think Wiggy knows it. That's why he's used this troll twice now.

	06-01-2002 09:01									#5
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Christ no one EVER listens. Let's knock off one of your troops and see how you like it. Thought so. It's common sense that you're ignoring here, not me.

And Osweld: I know, we're losing enough now to reach the point where it's just not fun anymore. Bear with me.

	06-01-2002 09:03									#6
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Canadian peacekeepers have died before, Wiggy.

Get over it.

You fight a war, people die. No news here.

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Glonky: It wouldn't be so bad if Britain, Canada, etc hadn't promised aid for our troops. We're out there dying instead of your guys - guys that should obviously have taken our place in parts of Afghanistan.

No, this is an obvious case of a false promise made by scared nations, made to protect against a terrorist attack on their own soil as well as a PR and political cover for both the domestic and international realms.

	06-01-2002 09:14									#8
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syrup, why do you have to bring old trolls back to life? i still have your quotes from the old thread in my signature. that was what? like a month and a half ago?

	06-01-2002 09:16									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Glonky: It wouldn't be so bad if Britain, Canada, etc hadn't promised aid for our troops. We're out there dying instead of your guys - guys that should obviously have taken our place in parts of Afghanistan.

Just so you know, Canadian special forces are doing cave searching also. Maybe they're just better trained than the Americans? Haven't heard of any of them getting injured.

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Those are fabricated, Tower. Except for the idiot one. And maybe Woody's.

	06-01-2002 09:20									#11
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quote: Just so you know, Canadian special forces are doing cave searching also. Maybe they're just better trained than the Americans? Haven't heard of any of them getting injured.

That's SO insulting to say that, you know. Dammit, would that little extra training you somehow pulled out of a sagging budget and no leadership be able to hold off a deadly small arms ambush out of the blue, by any chance? Again, it's obvious that we've got a much larger amount of guys in the region than the others in the coalition combined. All in the stats.

Any link for that bold little claim, by any chance? Just curious.

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf That's SO insulting to say that, you know. Dammit, would that little extra training you somehow pulled out of a sagging budget and no leadership be able to hold off a deadly small arms ambush out of the blue, by any chance? Again, it's obvious that we've got a much larger amount of guys in the region than the others in the coalition combined. All in the stats.

You've also got a much larger military, much more to lose, and a public that's deeply affected by it all. The other countries don't.

quote: Any link for that bold little claim, by any chance? Just curious.

Link1, regarding 700 Canadian troops leaving for Afghanistan.
Link2, regarding the overall contribution (including Navy and air).
Link3, Canadian commandos

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quote: You've also got a much larger military, much more to lose, and a public that's deeply affected by it all. The other countries don't.

Doesn't shake the fact that you made a promise. Btw, you're VERY wrong to say other countries have nothing to lose here. If Britain had been attacked prior to their launching of a few cruise missiles, Blair would have hell to pay. The Aussies had an election ten days before Howard sent dozens of ships, planes, troops, etc to the region. And the combined military of Canada, Australia, Germany, etc is actually worthwhile against the Taliban.

quote: Link1, regarding 700 Canadian troops leaving for Afghanistan. Link2, regarding the overall contribution (including Navy and air). Link3, Canadian commandos

That basically says you sent troops/ships. Big deal. They obviously haven't been used, though, as we've lost around 10 people and the entire alliance hasn't even lost one. Why didn't your government demand its forces were requested to be more active in Afghanistan? Surely it is a matter or international importance and safety? Same goes for Britain, the Aussies, etc.

	06-01-2002 09:32									#14
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if you look at the last post in this thread, you'll see that you actually did say that. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...25&pagenumber=1

	06-01-2002 09:33									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Doesn't shake the fact that you made a promise. Btw, you're VERY wrong to say other countries have nothing to lose here. If Britain had been attacked prior to their launching of a few cruise missiles, Blair would have hell to pay. The Aussies had an election ten days before Howard sent dozens of ships, planes, troops, etc to the region. And the combined military of Canada, Australia, Germany, etc is actually worthwhile against the Taliban.

The reason WHY the US was attacked was its blind support for Israel, among other things. Don't kid yourself here, Bin Laden isn't against "the west" as he's against the American abusive foreign policy.

quote: That basically says you sent troops/ships. Big deal. They obviously haven't been used, though

Precisely. Now see if you can name which country coordinates everything and tells people what to use where? That's right, America. You've had our resources at your disposal, and chosen not to use them, then you troll about how we're useless for not doing anything.

quote: Why didn't your government demand its forces were requested to be more active in Afghanistan? Surely it is a matter or international importance and safety? Same goes for Britain, the Aussies, etc.

So now you're pinning this on the other countries, when clearly it's America who chose not to use them?
Are you saying it's been ineffective how this operation has been run, anyway? Seems to work fine.

	06-01-2002 09:46									#16
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quote: The reason WHY the US was attacked was its blind support for Israel, among other things. Don't kid yourself here, Bin Laden isn't against "the west" as he's against the American abusive foreign policy.

Yeah he is, he calls all non-muslims infidels, shithead. And while I hate Israel, Bin Laden is just using it as an excuse, you know that.

Wiglaf, I may not agree with you on everything, but I'll support you if you ever want to claim that Canadians are a bunch of complacent, arrogant, uninformed government brainwashed priicks...especially Asher. I live in Canada (Ottawa), I know (about Canadians, not necessarily Asher).

Asher, by the way, what town in the US did you live in? Probably some medium sized all white one in Northern California, then you compare it to Calgary, you priick.

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quote: The reason WHY the US was attacked was its blind support for Israel, among other things. Don't kid yourself here, Bin Laden isn't against "the west" as he's against the American abusive foreign policy.

So now you're a terrorist too. Great.

quote: Precisely. Now see if you can name which country coordinates everything and tells people what to use where? That's right, America. You've had our resources at your disposal, and chosen not to use them, then you troll about how we're useless for not doing anything.

I haven't heard anything to suggest America is holding extra resources back by choice.

	06-01-2002 09:50									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Gareth Edmunson Yeah he is, he calls all non-muslims infidels, shithead. And while I hate Israel, Bin Laden is just using it as an excuse, you know that.

I should rephrase to make it more clear: He's not against the west AS MUCH as he's against America. As long as America is still there, I very much doubt he'd attack anyone else.

quote: Wiglaf, I may not agree with you on everything, but I'll support you if you ever want to claim that Canadians are a bunch of complacent, arrogant, uninformed government brainwashed priicks...especially Asher. I live in Canada (Ottawa), I know (about Canadians, not necessarily Asher).

Don't you dare judge all Canadians by the "eastern bums and creeps" in Ottawa and whatnot. Alberta is VERY much different than the rest of Canada, ask any Canadian.

quote: Asher, by the way, what town in the US did you live in? Probably some medium sized all white one in Northern California, then you compare it to Calgary, you priick.

Several towns, in Northern California. A suburb of Oakland (hardly all white), and a (very white) town that's basically a place for Bell and Chevron employees only.

	06-01-2002 09:50									#19
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what?

	06-01-2002 09:52									#20
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quote: Don't you dare judge all Canadians by the "eastern bums and creeps" in Ottawa and whatnot. Alberta is VERY much different than the rest of Canada, ask any Canadian.

Oh please, all Canadians are the same...except for east coasters and Quebecers.

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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf They obviously haven't been used, though, as we've lost around 10 people and the entire alliance hasn't even lost one. Why didn't your government demand its forces were requested to be more active in Afghanistan? Surely it is a matter or international importance and safety? Same goes for Britain, the Aussies, etc.

Why don't you write to the Australian defence minister and ask him to shoot a member of the SAS to prove our commitment

Here's his address:

Senator the Hon. Robert Hill
Minister for Defence
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
AUSTRALIA

	06-01-2002 09:53									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf I haven't heard anything to suggest America is holding extra resources back by choice.

you could say the US is holding resources back, we do have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons that could be used in afgahnistan.

i'm just glad they aren't

btw, syrup, you never looked at your previous post and saw how you lied

	06-01-2002 09:53									#23
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I've been to Calgary and Winnepeg, and I didn't notice anything different about it... just no LCBOs or Pizza Pizza... is that what you call differences?

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quote: Originally posted by Case Why don't you write to the Australian defence minister and ask him to shoot a member of the SAS to prove our commitment Here's his address: Senator the Hon. Robert Hill Minister for Defence Parliament House Canberra ACT 2600 AUSTRALIA

why don't we just buy wiggy a ticket to aghanistan and let him try to kill a canadien or australian or brit? that way he could learn first hand that they aren't just for show.

	06-01-2002 09:56									#25
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quote: you could say the US is holding resources back, we do have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons that could be used in afgahnistan.

No they couldn't. Too much political pressure, pollution, etc. All that good stuff.

	06-01-2002 09:58									#26
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quote: why don't we just buy wiggy a ticket to aghanistan and let him try to kill a canadien or australian or brit? that way he could learn first hand that they aren't just for show.

A Canadien? Jesus that's awesome.

In any event, as there aren't any Canadians or Brits in Afghanistan that have loaded weapons that shoot worth a damn, it'd be a fairly easy fight. They aren't there to wage war, they're there to look nice for the TV crews.

	06-01-2002 09:58									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Gareth Edmunson I've been to Calgary and Winnepeg, and I didn't notice anything different about it... just no LCBOs or Pizza Pizza... is that what you call differences?

I'm not talking about physical appearances, dumbass.

Ideology-wise, Alberta is WAY, WAY different from the rest of Canada. I don't think we voted for any of the members of the federal government, they're all far too left wing for us.

You and Wiggy should both know when to stop. You've not a clue what you're talking about if you think Alberta is anywhere comparable to Ontario and whatnot.

	06-01-2002 10:01									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf In any event, as there aren't any Canadians or Brits in Afghanistan that have loaded weapons that shoot worth a damn, it'd be a fairly easy fight. They aren't there to wage war, they're there to look nice for the TV crews.

Except for the SAS (largely considered the best special forces in the world) and the Canadian JTF (Commandos)?

	06-01-2002 10:05									#29
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THEY AREN'T THERE TO FIGHT.

	06-01-2002 10:07									#30
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Asher, I knows its different politically, but as far as people are concerned, I didn't notice any maked differences from just talking to people. They had the same accent as Ontarians, etc...

And Wiglaf is right about Canada and the TV Crews. Everything the Canadian military does is just for show. Canada sends 3 troops into Somalia or something just so it can say "horray for Canada, we're peacekeepers!".

Canada will go into Afghanistan (after the US and Britain do all the work, and Wiglaf, the UK did help alot), and then probably claim they did more than the US afterwards. Priicks.