08-01-2002 04:12									#1
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Today the captain of the ship carrying over 50 tons of arms, missiles, explosives etc. was interviewed in the detention center by reporters of Public Channel 1 and Channel 2.

In the interview he said the arms were donations mainly from Iran and Hezballa. He said the operation was planned so that he docks in Alexandria in Egypt, the arms are devided among smaller ships and they make a rush towards the Gaza strip.

He said this was his mission and he was instructed by PA officials, and that he doesn't regret it and wants his daughter to know he is a fighter for palestine.


Following that, the PLO stopped denying the connection with the arms ship and said that "it takes the event very seriously and will investigate the issue and convict and punish those responsible for it".

	08-01-2002 04:15									#2
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Aren't you supposed to be sick Siro? Israeli info is your second nature I guess. Can't do without it


About the ship, too bad it didn't get in It would have given the palestinians a few guns to fight. Would be nice change from slings


disclaimer: abort your military alliance with Turkey and stop modernising its army and these comments will cease (for the most part )

	08-01-2002 04:23									#3
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We need an alliance with turkey since it's the only Islamic state that likes us. Also it's big and scary and near. We also will soon import water from there.

We could modernize your weapons as well you know. Just because we're friends with Turkey doesn't mean we hate you.

To demonstrate this I can tell you that during the US-China conflict we were joking about who wins if they go to war since both countries buy some of their technology (esp. aircraft technology: navigation, missile avoidance, missile giudane) from us.

If an Israeli missile guidance system attacks an Israeli missile avoidance system, who will win?

The US together with Micronesia are our only true allies (I have no idea why Micronesia likes us) and Turkey is a strategic ally.

Join the "Jewish Connection"! Feel the power of 5,000 year old traditions!


About being sick - I am very sick, however this is what I consider quite important to prove the suckers who still buy the palestinian lies.

	08-01-2002 04:31									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Sirotnikov We could modernize your weapons as well you know.

You are ubelievable

We prefer the Russians though. They give us limited capacity nuclear warheads with their deals shhh... I didn't say that

Actually you did do some work on our F16s lately I think. (something about electronic war..? )

quote: The US together with Micronesia are our only true allies (I have no idea why Micronesia likes us) and Turkey is a strategic ally.

See and I have nothing against Micronesia (where the hell is micronesia? greek word though - again Micro =small nisea=island).

quote: Join the "Jewish Connection"! Feel the power of 5,000 year old traditions!

Would make a nice ad

quote: About being sick - I am very sick, however this is what I consider quite important to prove the suckers who still buy the palestinian lies.

Bah, I don't care. I just like to see them win Or cause you trouble (again the above mentioned disclaimer )



hope you get better though It's shitty we are on different camps

	08-01-2002 04:40									#5
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Funny Yassir speaks of Peace and defense, yet in the midst of a cease fire. His own organization, calls in a shipment containing 63 Katuysha rockets capable of hitting any israeli city inside israel.


Somebody Dust that scumbag already.

	08-01-2002 04:47									#6
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Funny. In the midst of talks of peace, Israel continues running an army which is big enough to crush the PA 10 times over.

	08-01-2002 05:42									#7
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Not funny.

Israel is in a state of hostility with no peace agreement with every arab state except for Jordan and Egypt.

The arab countries show readyness to attack as they did since 1948 to this day, when they don't attack directly but rather support terror.


Not funny:

Arafat claims to fight terror, yet the ship contains 2.5 tons of explosives such as those used in terracts.

Not funny:

According to the Oslo accords palestinains aren't allowed to own such weapons. Palestinians were supplied with weapons by Israel in order to fight radical terrorists.

Since 1993, PLO has done little to fight radical terrorist, and in autumn 2000 released all terrorists from jail.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Funny. In the midst of talks of peace, Israel continues running an army which is big enough to crush the PA 10 times over.

The differences:
1) Israel has security concerns which go way beyond the PA, the PA is not responsible for defending itself or its neighbors, and has not nearly as many enemies as Israel.
2) Israel did not agree to forego offensive weapons in the Oslo accords; the PA did. This is a total violation of Oslo.

	08-01-2002 06:20									#9
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There are always those like KH who defend terrorists.

Clearly..the weapons shipment was of "Offensive" nature and not "Defensive".

	08-01-2002 06:21									#10
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Besides, where did the weapons come from? I heard from Hezbollah. Has that been confirmed?

	08-01-2002 06:43									#11
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The captain wouldn't say much to the TV.
He said "a gift from from friends of palestine - Iran Hezbulla and others. The ship came from Iranian area. You don't have to be a genious to understand".

Hezbulla is supported and funded by syria and iran.

I know the ship made a stop in Sudan as well, shorlty before being captured. That's where the palestinian crew got on.

	08-01-2002 06:56									#12
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Besides, where did the weapons come from? I heard from Hezbollah. Has that been confirmed?

Couldn't have come from Hezbollah (they were in the red sea, which Lebanon doesn't border) but probably from their Iranian backers. I suppose that Iraq or one of the gulf states could also be possible, but Israel says they're from Iran.

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Ya, thats what I thought. Of course Saddam has been trying to sneak RPG's in now and then. But this was a huge shipment...almost 100 million dollars worth...


Just imagine had those Katuysha's gotten into the wrong hands. There not hard to use...especially the terrorist made ones. Just set up a stand on a grassy hill..aim roughly at a city 10-15 miles away...set the primer, light the match. Kaboom goes a city block.

Sad, reallly.....

	08-01-2002 07:05									#14
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Ya, thats what I thought. Of course Saddam has been trying to sneak RPG's in now and then. But this was a huge shipment...almost 100 million dollars worth...

Never thought AD&D manuals were so expensive

	08-01-2002 07:11									#15
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It has to be Saddam or Iran. Syria wouldnt blow that much money...(would they?) and PLA or Hezzies cant afford that. These were new arms, fresh from Russia/3rd world armies.

Anyway, this wasnt the first ship. A few months ago they siezed another ship. How many ships are getting through? Moreover, how can anyone like Arafat who claims to want peace, try to acquire these kind of weapons?

	08-01-2002 07:12									#16
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Ya, thats what I thought. Of course Saddam has been trying to sneak RPG's in now and then. But this was a huge shipment...almost 100 million dollars worth...

Yeah, the Iraqi istikhabarat (military intelligence) have a special battalion of 300 men in the covert Unit 999 working on Palestine.

quote: Just imagine had those Katuysha's gotten into the wrong hands. There not hard to use...especially the terrorist made ones. Just set up a stand on a grassy hill..aim roughly at a city 10-15 miles away...set the primer, light the match. Kaboom goes a city block. Sad, reallly.....

Would have been bad, but I figure the katyushas, being mounted on trucks, could easily have been taken out by helicopter or tank minutes after firing - what scared me were the at-3 sagger missiles and the 120mm mortars, which increase the Palestinian capacity to shell cities and mount ambushes with a lesser change of detection.

	08-01-2002 07:13									#17
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Moreover, how can anyone like Arafat who claims to want peace, try to acquire these kind of weapons?

To secure peace is to prepare for war

	08-01-2002 07:24									#18
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No, I saw pictures...those katuysha's were tripod mounted on a flat base. Easy to hide...there only 4 feet long. They come in single mounts and look like //_.


Ready to go, no trucks or mass launchers. Just a single, terrorist package.

Ya I think we found our culprit Nat

quote: BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqi President Saddam Hussein lashed out at Israel on Monday, saying its seizure of an arms ship was ``criminal piracy'' in breach of international laws, the official Iraqi News Agency reported. Saddam also accused the United States of threatening to take its anti-terror campaign to Somalia, saying it was a cover ``for the Zionist-American plot to force their full domination over the Red Sea,'' the agency reported, quoting a statement from a Cabinet meeting chaired Saddam. Israel last week seized a ship in the Red Sea laden with rockets and other weapons it said were destined for Palestinians. The Palestinians denied any connection. ``This is a sheer breach of international navigation laws and a criminal piracy, Saddam was quoted as saying. The Israelis ``claim it was transporting weapons to Palestinians,'' he said, according to INA. ``The real crime is the breach by the Zionist entity of international laws.'' Regarding Somalia, where the United States has been conducting reconnaissance flights to search for al-Qaida terrorist camps, Saddam said, ``It is hard to separate between the piracy crimes committed by the Zionist entity ... in the Red Sea and the American-Zionist plans against Somalia

Rather angry today I guess

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Really? I thought that was just rumour from the Israeli side. Has it been confirmed?

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Well if these arms are linked to Iraq I think we can safely nail the lid on the coffin of the bleeding heart liberal arguement about the UN embargo being too harsh on Iraq, no? Seems the man would rather buy guns than food for his starving people. Perhaps Iraq is viaing for the number two spot on our military's hit list. Better hold your breath.

	08-01-2002 08:07									#20
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duh, thats what Saddam wants. To become the "Nebuchazzar" of the modern arab world.

So he honestly, I think, would want America to bomb him. He is 76 years old and wont live much longer anyway.

	08-01-2002 08:49									#21
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 Never thought AD&D manuals were so expensive

Much to my embarassment I thought that too.

To me this seems like an utterly insane move for the Palestinian Government if they were indeed responsible. Acquiring weapons of this nature would serve as no form of deterrence to the Israelis in those numbers (No matter how many ships have been sent) and to actually use them would be sheer folly. They could be used to kill Israelis but nowhere near enough to seriously hurt Israel itself. The corresponding Israeli counterattack could utterly annihilate any organized opposition and end any Palestinian dreams of Statehood forever.
As far as officially deniable teracts go, movements in and into Israel itself are far more watched than those in almost any other country, and a terrorist action in moving even a single kat-launcher into a firing position would be pretty hazardous.
Likewise launching from within Palestinian territory itself would surely (and justifiably in this case) bring about an Israeli response far beyond anything seen to date (even a full-scale conflict) and could hardly be worth the very limited amount of damage able to be inflicted.

And for an "innocent" bystander Mr Saddam seems to be taking an inordinate amount of interest in the situation ...

I can see him receiving a "gift" of a missile or two before long ...

	08-01-2002 09:01									#22
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Arafat had 2.5 tons of explosives on that ship, ready to deliver to Hamas and Jihad whom he "arrests" these days.

And the mortars and katyushas were to further annoy israel. he gets a kick when israel reacts harshley and gets criticized.

	08-01-2002 09:33									#23
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Well Sirot, the missiles were hardly an annoyance, they were an escalation. They could of done serouis damage. Make the mortars look like fire-crackers.

Like I said, all they need to do is go on a grassy hill. Set up a katuysha, take about 20 minutes, and aim it in a general direction of city 10-15 miles away. Shoot it, and run like hell, hope Israeli army doesnt come looking.

Damage done.

The mortars are only used for the settlements. And the Palestinians have proved they are not too good at aiming those mortar's.

	08-01-2002 10:07									#24
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory There are always those like KH who defend terrorists

Idiot.

Hey, Natan: I'd gotten the impression that Oslo was sorta beyond salvaging at this point, and I'd say Israel is a hell of a foreign enemy to defend against if you're the PA. The Palestinians are and have always been the underdogs, and I have no urge to see them have to live like that forever. I'd be happy to see Israel actually afraid of Palestine instead of simply occasionally annoyed. Israel can go anywhere it wants to and bomb anything it wants to in the PA (and does, on occasion). Why should I care that the PA wants the same capability? Maybe they'd have to take negotiations seriously instead of simply indulging the leftists occasionally?

	08-01-2002 10:23									#25
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I wonder how many shipments of weapons Israel has imported in the last few months...

	08-01-2002 10:27									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Case I wonder how many shipments of weapons Israel has imported in the last few months...

Ya but Israel is surrounded by Blood-thirsty dictators.

	08-01-2002 11:13									#27
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse I'd be happy to see Israel actually afraid of Palestine instead of simply occasionally annoyed. Israel can go anywhere it wants to and bomb anything it wants to in the PA (and does, on occasion). Why should I care that the PA wants the same capability?

Please tell me you're joking! The Palestinian Authority can't hope to surrepticiously import enough arms to even threaten, let alone take on Israel on any turf. The only thing they could even hope to accomplish is to kill/injure a number of individual Israelis and bring about a full-scale military retaliation courtesy of the IDF - against which they would have no chance whatsoever. None. Israel has never used more than a fraction of its capability against the PA.
For all the rhetoric about the Israeli military "striking back" against the PA recently, in effect, they haven't. If they ever did/do the PA would/will cease to exist. Along with a large portion of the populace.

	08-01-2002 11:23									#28
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Funny. In the midst of talks of peace, Israel continues running an army which is big enough to crush the PA 10 times over.

You never heard of Syria or Iraq?

Not every country is as lucky as Canada in that they are bordered by a peaceful country.

	08-01-2002 11:30									#29
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Or atleast think they are being bordered bye a peaceful country...


*evil laugh*

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I'm afraid that people on both sides just are itching for full confrontation. Except for Arafat maybe. Because lets face it, either way he doesn't live much beyond a full blown arab Israeli war.