08-01-2002 21:59									#1
	Poll analysis: problem in sight about Civ III Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

1/3 of APOLYTONERS left Civ III not even 2 months after its release?! (based on opaque's poll) Hey! We're not even the crowds of real-time and Quake players, it's a fansite here. Here are the more loyal and/or hardcore Civ fans and 1/3 left Civ III by now. I think we're due for proving the fact that there is a serious problem somewhere... (BTW, there were 77 voters, so I think that the statistical base is enough)

And since we're at poll analysis, may I also remark that "Do you use colonies?" poll says that majority just don't and 6% do often? My personal conclusion: colonies have to be rethinked since they were used alot in History because of a high rentability and still are. But this still is only a game feature, not the entire game... but an interesting poll. (I'm not THAT surprised about colonies, since they're new to Civ sery and were out in a beta game)

Please note that I do not say Civ III is worth nothing for such reasons, but do conclude that some interrogations are well due. I personnally think that some changes are needed, wether in a patch, expansion... or Civ IV


Post scriptum: I remark after that we should also look at which Apolytoners have more tendancy to respond to such polls. It may change results

Last edited by Trifna on 09-01-2002 at 08:25

	08-01-2002 22:09									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Also:
Maybe this should demonstrate to people thinking "all is okay" that they are due to put this assertion back to the drawing, since this thread is there to prove the opposit.

	08-01-2002 23:09									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

You bet. Nothing a few dozen patches won't cure.

	08-01-2002 23:17									#4
	Re: Poll analysis: problem in sight about Civ III Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: [SIZE=1] (BTW, there were 77 voters, so I think that the statistical base is enough)

Sorry these kinds of web-based "polls" do not statistically sample opinion, even of those who visit the website. It only samples the kinds of people who respond to these kinds of polls, usually the rabid haters and complainers. The people looking for hints to improve their game play will probably not bother.

(For instance, many web-based "polls" showed Bush winning over Gore by 70%-30% in the last U.S. presidential election. Of course, Gore actually received more votes.)

	09-01-2002 01:03									#5
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Colonies were a good idea. I still use them sometimes, especially in tundra. However, we've learned that it's usually more advantageous to just build a city on or near a resource than to build a colony. So what. Just because you have the option to use something doesn't mean you have to use it all the time.

Do you actually fight with every military unit in the game? I sure don't. I build lots of cavalry and infantry, but I find I make very few chariots. It's the same kind of argument.

Keep the colonies the way they are. They're fine.

	09-01-2002 08:23									#6
	Re: Re: Poll analysis: problem in sight about Civ III Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Zachriel Sorry these kinds of web-based "polls" do not statistically sample opinion, even of those who visit the website. It only samples the kinds of people who respond to these kinds of polls, usually the rabid haters and complainers. The people looking for hints to improve their game play will probably not bother. (For instance, many web-based "polls" showed Bush winning over Gore by 70%-30% in the last U.S. presidential election. Of course, Gore actually received more votes.)

I fear you may be partly right

I'll edit the post... Just wondering at which extent these results are representative of Apolytoners...

	09-01-2002 17:47									#7
	Re: Re: Re: Poll analysis: problem in sight about Civ III Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by Trifna I fear you may be partly right I'll edit the post... Just wondering at which extent these results are representative of Apolytoners...

That's all right. These polls are fun to do anyway. And fun to talk about.

	09-01-2002 18:29									#8
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Clearly it indicates an important trend, and Firaxis' response is to huddle close with the people who see no problems and forgive everything. Problem there is, they are the REAL minority of gamers. Keep making games for them, Firaxis. Feels better, I'm sure, 'til you are hitting the trades for job openings.