12-01-2002 12:21									#1
	poll on why people have dropped civ3 Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

ok, here is my poll. sorry about the other thread where i lost track of what i was trying to do.

Pick ALL the responses that apply.

Last edited by Captain on 12-01-2002 at 12:45

	12-01-2002 13:30									#2
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

If you can EDIT the poll, I would vote for "Editor's not quite there yet."

	13-01-2002 03:32									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Just to say that you got a great idea of making such a poll

Personaly, I may be more precise by adding this to my response:

Useless colonies, cavalry too strong, phalanx beeting tanks, bombarding useless, no stacking, all what is flying useless, warrior destroying improvements better than a bomber, spying useless even if it is common in world, a poor editor, retrograded tech tree and retrograded government system.

	13-01-2002 09:06									#4
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everything what he said plus:

I feel detached.

I really don't feel as immersed as I was in Civ 2, even though this is a full screen game.

	13-01-2002 09:27									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: All the annoying little things piled up, Grrr!

What annoying little things did I pile up?

By the way, who can't add:

	13-01-2002 11:29									#6
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

sorry Grrr!
I didn't mean you!

thanks for responding everyone! I'd update the poll to take into account your comments, but I don't know if I can.

did anyone find the music annoying?
I like the ancient era tunes but it gets a little hokey later on.
maybe should just put that under "it's ugly" category.

cheers!

	13-01-2002 11:40									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

i know it looks like i'm trying to bump my own thread but i'm not!

just thought I'd say, even though i've stopped playing the game, I haven't uninstalled it and I'm not planning on selling it.
I'm holding out hope for a better version soon! then it'll be back to hours on end of hearty civving!

if you hop over to the civ 3 files section and see all the mods and cool stuff your fellow civ fans are making, you might have your hope restored too!

	13-01-2002 14:59									#8
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

The poll is unfair since you can vote for multiple things the only true number is the number of people who continue to play as surely they have not voted any other point.

	13-01-2002 17:33									#9
	Put an end to popups!

Hey Captain,

You left out an important choice:

zz. I spend more time reading Apolyton Forums -- talking about the game is more fun than playing it.

Looks like lots of people don't like late game tedium. I fall in that category. Played dozens of games, but I've only ever finished one. Just tooooooo sloooooooow, and nooooooo rewards for the click click click.

	13-01-2002 21:33									#10
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The obviously correct choice is "Not Multiplayer".

	31-01-2002 15:56									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

The game is more attractive than CtP by the immersion aspect.
Diplomaty system is good (except no possibility for trading units).

But lake lot of CtP good point (sea improvment, staking of unit, capable sea and air unit).

Edit : Lake simple but usefull buttons like 'next city', 'next unit', 'next turn', with color inidcations. Lake the message icon, usefull and not annoying as pop-up messages.

Last edited by ZoboZeWarrior on 31-01-2002 at 16:02

	31-01-2002 18:34									#12
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

The single greatest fault in the game is that you can't close the window the game is in and thereby access Apolyton while playing. If that were the case these pollls would have a much more favorable result as those who like the game are playing it, not dicking around you lot.

	31-01-2002 19:47									#13
	Got spare money?

You can minimize it.... but I haven't played the game for 2 months

	31-01-2002 20:36									#14
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

Detached. No sense of immersion in game world.

and

Late game tedium.



I enjoyed it for a while, but as soon as I got something else to play, I started doing that instead and forgot all about civ3.

	31-01-2002 20:47									#15
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Late game tedium, and 'only one way to win', not quite, but it's no where near as flexible as civ2 where you could do almost anything. The ages system etc. forces you down to linear a path, which I think is the biggest failing.

	31-01-2002 21:01									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

Hmmm, What about - I bought a game that was more fun....

	31-01-2002 21:27									#17
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

There wasn't a box for "consistent game-crashing bug".

Done playing until the next patch.

	31-01-2002 22:27									#18
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Late game tedium on large maps combined with only one way to win (read that as "survive") on smaller maps deprives the game of the richness of the earlier versions. Emphasis on culture good. I still fool with it, but seldom finish. Too bad.

	31-01-2002 22:58									#19
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Oh, come on...

	01-02-2002 00:28									#20
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

mid/late game tedium
5 invalid page faults/day
games show little variation

	01-02-2002 00:54									#21
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

I have stability problems with the game, especially since the patch. Also the cap on tech rate is ridiculous and should be removed, or at least have the option to remove it

	01-02-2002 03:30									#22
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Owning to the fact that there is only a few games to actually play, I think Civ III is one of them.
MOOIII is one of them. XCOM coming out at end of year, and a little different now (called UFOefense) probably is one of them.

The rest to me, except for Harpoon IV, are just other games that I may buy, and try, but still, the ones that last are the ones that get played.

You just get familiar with these games.

A faster computer for me will help CIV III and probably another patch, but then, other games just keep coming and going, mainly going, going, going, gone.
AoE, what is that?

Duh!

	01-02-2002 05:39									#23
	Remove this text

I had a hard time deciding on just one answer so I went with late game tedium as the best catch all phrase. However, I do think there is nothing wrong with the game that a good patch and the XP (if it is well thought out and executed) couldn't fix.

	01-02-2002 06:10									#24
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I've stopped playing Civ 3 altogether because, although an AI was programmed for the game, it suffers tremendously. The Ogre like intelligence is frustrating to witness and falls short of even the most modest expectations of it in this day and age. It will take outstanding reviews from the members of Apolyton to get Civ 4 off of my 'do not buy' list.

	01-02-2002 06:19									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I have stability problems with the game, especially since the patch. Also the cap on tech rate is ridiculous and should be removed, or at least have the option to remove it

Yeah the cap is a joke - a lot of games I'm down to techs every 4 turns on 20% sci - obviously anything above that is a waste, so I'm raking in hundreds of gold. A lot of my games I'd probably get down to tech every turn if it weren't for that and race past the AIs. Another artificial limit put in to screw the human.

	01-02-2002 06:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by bigfree1 I've stopped playing Civ 3 altogether because, although an AI was programmed for the game, it suffers tremendously. The Ogre like intelligence is frustrating to witness and falls short of even the most modest expectations of it in this day and age. It will take outstanding reviews from the members of Apolyton to get Civ 4 off of my 'do not buy' list.

Indeed.

I figured people would have stopped playing Civ III by the end of this year. Looks like it will be by Spring!

My main reasons for giving up on Civ III:

1. STUPID, STUBBORN AI.

2. CHEATING AI.

3. FLIPPING BORDERS and CITIES. It's a lot of BS.

4. NO CHEAT MODE.

5. NO SCENARIO BUILDING.

6. PATHETIC USE OF NAVIES.

7. POOR SIMULATION of HISTORY with idiotic unit values.

8. TOO MUCH CORRUPTION.

9. NOTHING LEFT TO EXPLORE BY CARAVELS.

10. LATE GAME TEDIUM.

11. LAND-GRABBING AI SETTLERS wandering around your territory settling next to your cities and colonies.

12. A DIPLOMATIC AI THAT HOLDS GRUDGES FOR MILLENNIA!!

13. NO CANALS! What about a Panama Canal Wonder, or a St Lawrence Seaway Wonder?

14. ESPIONAGE STINKS. Too costly and too ineffective. Its best use is getting someone to declare war on you!

And so much more.

Civ III is a BUST.

	01-02-2002 06:47									#27
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Europa Universalis 2

Maybe when the editor is improved and some good scenarios get made or multiplayer is added, I'll revisit it.

	01-02-2002 06:53									#28
	Increase Your PM Length

I'm sick of the time it takes between turns, particularly at the late stage. I've got a decent computer (550, 128 ram) and CivIII is still way too slow.

	01-02-2002 13:25									#29
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Tingkai: 128MB Ram is really not descent anymore. Its the MINIMUM I suggest having before even considering to install Win2k or WinXP.
I have 800Mhz and 384MB Ram (WinXP) and the game runs smooth and fine even in later stages.

ata

	01-02-2002 19:48									#30
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Strange. According to your poll there should be no-one left playing the game at all.

Mots of the whingers on here are frustrated because they can't beat the AI even though it's "stupid". Neither can I at the moment above chieftain level. However there are people on this forum who have won at Deity level so it can be done.

The oldest game of this type is Chess.

- only has 6 units - let's have more units - ICBM that can take any piece on the board!
- Knights can jump over other units - unhistorical!
- Why can't I take the opponent's king?
- Limited to 64 squares!
- Why can the king only move one square?
- I can never beat the AI at its top level

and so on. It's still a good game though.

I'm not saying civ3 is perfect. I agree with most of the criticisms here - though some people obviously have never heard of civ3edit. You could come up with a similar list for competing games such as Age of Empires. However when I have succeeded in winning at deity level I will then ditch the game and look for something else. I don't see this happening soon.