15-01-2002 05:33									#1
	What do you dislike about CivIII? Increase Your PM Length

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	15-01-2002 07:56									#2
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the two biggest problems for me were the immortal horse units and the spearmen beat tank combat system.

Of course there should have been another option, "completley idiotic and random city-flipping"

	15-01-2002 08:18									#3
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quote: Originally posted by simwiz2 Of course there should have been another option, "completley idiotic and random city-flipping"

Put a check in the CORRUPTION box for me to please.

	15-01-2002 11:40									#4
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No MP, easily.

	15-01-2002 12:32									#5
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand No MP, easily.

what he said

	15-01-2002 12:35									#6
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Corruption and End-Game-Slowdown (in huge 12+ civ maps)!

oh, and buggs!

-Alech

	15-01-2002 12:49									#7
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard what he said

I'll third that vote. Missing MP is a huge problem its lack nearly ruins the games long term replayability.

	15-01-2002 13:26									#8
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well i hate no stacked movement. and whiners

	15-01-2002 13:29									#9
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You forgot to include the fact that air units can not sink Ships, this is my greatest anouence in the Game

	15-01-2002 15:19									#10
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It wasn't about no MP in civ 3 that made me vote in the "no MP" option. We already know that there will be MP for Civ 3. What I don't like is that there's no scenarios in civ 3, and those Earth maps are just horrible!

I voted on lots of other things. But I just realized that the immortal mounted units are a really big flaw I should have voted for. Funny I never had realise aout it on SMAC.

	15-01-2002 19:17									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Deathwalker You forgot to include the fact that air units can not sink Ships, this is my greatest anouence in the Game

yeah you forgot to include:
- tank blitz is gone
- no OCC
- warrior killing my army of elite modern armor
- trireme sinking battleships
- mind worms are gone
- no fundamentalism
- culture works both ways (argh)

	16-01-2002 02:07									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Deathwalker You forgot to include the fact that air units can not sink Ships, this is my greatest anouence in the Game

That is part of the combat system (#16), so I think Iīve got you covered.

	16-01-2002 02:55									#13
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Personally, I no longer much want to play this game in single player, so who cares about multiplayer?

I had a blast playing this game, except when I fight wars. In every war I've fought the only thing I need for victory is numerical supiority in near equivelent units. If I have enough swordsmen I can run over anything, the same goes for any unit.

Makes me feel like I'm playing a turn based generic RTS. blah.

but I like the rest of the game. oh well, Moo3 comes out in march. . . . hopefully.

	16-01-2002 03:01									#14
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Personally the settler explosion is annoying (and where wont the AI build a city!?). The space ship comes to early in the game, also.

	17-01-2002 23:20									#15
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You missed mine entirely- pollution, too many "green" city improvements, and bombardment not killing.

	18-01-2002 00:30									#16
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Now if you ask me, the REAL diarrhea is on the earth map the political landscape of Central and northern Asia. It's NEVER one territory but all civilizations place minor cities beside each other. That really looks like diarrhea to me... (Sorry, a bit off-topic...)

	18-01-2002 01:39									#17
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quote: tank blitz is gone

This would be a good point if stacked movement was included.

quote: no fundamentalism

What? Fundamentalism was horribly overpowered in Civ 2 because halving science didn't matter at the end after the score had been calculated and only Future Techs were left to research. Perhaps it should have been kept but unhappiness just reduced rather than completely eliminated.

quote: You missed mine entirely- pollution

I think this micromanagement problem could have been removed completely had they taken out the annoying tile pollution aspect and just kept the global pollution aspect that causes land to change.

	01-02-2002 03:16									#18
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	01-02-2002 03:25									#19
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Late game can really be boring. Pollution, lack of improvements and units, ...
Many times I just start a new game instead of playing in modern age, because the early game is so much better.

	01-02-2002 07:03									#20
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1. Those AI settlers wandering over my territory looking for a few open tiles to settle on and thus encroach on my cities and colonies.

2. Culture Flipping borders and cities - and disappearing garrisons - are NONSENSE.

3. Too much corruption.

4. Late game tedium.

5. No scenario building capability, nor cheat mode.

6. Navies are a waste, and Sid has no idea what navies are really for - attacking trade routes. And bombers cannot sink warships?!?!?

7. Stupid, stubborn AI Advisors.

8. Nothing to explore by the time we get to caravels.

9. Too much AI CHEATING.

10. No way to check the status of an alliance when then civ you are at war with comes to make peace.

Oh, the heck with this. There are twenty other things I hate about Civ III. Just read the threads all over this and the other forum.

	01-02-2002 19:12									#21
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1) No editor. How can we make scenario and compensate for design flaws ?

2) Stupid combat system : FP/HP was better, and allowed to customize more. Stupid reason to get rid of it.

3) Oversimplified game mechanics, probably to let the AI deal with it : Civ1-version of terrain improvements : no farmland, no highway, no terraforming, irrigation of -2500 is as effective than intensive exploitation of 1980 AD...

4) Corruption, totally insane and ridiculous. Should the rules editor not be here, I would never have finished even my first game.

5) Culture flip, great idea, utterly ridiculous effects.

6) Improvements that were in SMAC and Civ2 and disappeared ?

7) Anti-climatix and anti-rewarding endings.

8) Modern Era ? Where ? Half of the tech are just to build a spaceship, and this ship is ridiculously easy and fast to build. Civ 1 and Civ 2 had a ten times better way to deal with it.

9) Strange time gap between things that set stop points (time between galley and caravel, time between aqueduc and hospital, etc...).

10) NO STACKING MOVEMENTS ! For god sake, it existed already in MoM !

11) "mechanical" AI. I would like to see a more human one, and have the feeling to fight passion-driven leader with personnalities, not cold, insensitive and agressive cyborg.

12) Ridiculous trade system. I give you 100 gold, you give me 50. And then you're insulted by the deal.

	01-02-2002 19:41									#22
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I picked two options: Spaceship too early and Diplomats and Spies too little role. Generally, I do also have a third thing I dislike - Nuclear Weapons should not be balanced, they should be very strong, being hugely unbalanced, just like in real life.

However, those are actually minor. And I do terribly enjoy Civ 3, and it is certainly the best game I personally have ever played. And if I had to buy it again, I surely would - great game!

	02-02-2002 00:44									#23
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I hate the editor!

	02-02-2002 00:59									#24
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The 'advisors' should be renamed 'paperclip personality kibbitzers', at least the microsoft paper clip has the virtue (did i just put that word in the same sentence with ms, shame on me) of being able to be shut off.

Anyone besides me notice that the 'advisor' drawings have a barny the dinosaur quality to their appearance?

I would like an option to throw darts at the game designers.

	02-02-2002 02:23									#25
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quote: no OCC

You need to try harder ... I've played and won a OCC game, as have other people.

I can't say I see anything on the list of 16 that annoys me greatly (some of them are features, dammit). However, I'd say these are what I dislike about civ 3:
* Polution cleanup automation is pretty awful
* Length of turn on huge maps - I accept it's necessary, however I don't have to like it (posting this while playing infact)
* Space race is kinda on the shortish side
* Diplomatic victory makes no sense - it made no sense in SMAC either. The AI should never vote for you - since a human wouldn't either (I vote for some other player to win the game - top strategy!)
* And the number one thing I dislike about civ 3 is whining bastards who have to insist with every post they make that "Firaxis sold their first born to Satan and used the profits to inflict the hellspawn that is civ 3 upon humanity". Or words to that effect.

	02-02-2002 03:01									#26
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quote: Originally posted by OneInTen ........ * And the number one thing I dislike about civ 3 is whining bastards who have to insist with every post they make that "Firaxis sold their first born to Satan and used the profits to inflict the hellspawn that is civ 3 upon humanity". Or words to that effect.

Amen.

I dislike the fact that there is no screen where you can get a complete intel report on another civ at any time you want. It would be very helpfull during negotiations. In general the advisor screens should have more info.