15-01-2002 06:16									#1
	Civ II MP player sightings Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

The release of civ III has had a devastating effect on the civ II community. How is your MP circle holding up? Some seem to be doing okay (Ming's group for example).

The Australian scene is pretty dead. finbar surfaced after months MIA last night (he's been working his butt off and out of town a lot). We had good chat on icq. Also saw makeo post on the OT. I talk to Hydey fairly regularly, whose been playing civ III and a bit of TOT, and Deity occasionally appears - but I suspect he's defected to civfanatics Mp forum

Miss our regular games guys

	15-01-2002 08:38									#2
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Havent had much interest in coming here recently as the fun seems to have gone. Civ 3 desperaty needs a MP edition to revitalise my interest.

	15-01-2002 09:02									#3
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Well i haven't got civ3 to work on my computer.
Haven't played mp in ages though.

Just started the sat night diplo game.

	15-01-2002 10:39									#4
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Believe it or not, Civ II is alive and well at Civfanatics ladder and also the zone. I play exclusively on the zone and the ladders, and if you would like me to join your playing circles, please feel free to add my ICQ to your list.

	15-01-2002 18:24									#5
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We've lost a couple of players from our group. But we have lost a few over the years to attrition anyway, so I can't say it's due to CIV III. But we have also added a few players including a few zone players. So we seem to be benefiting from a decreased number of games elsewhere.

We're still going strong on Friday and Saturday nights. Every now and then we don't get enough players on a given night, but that isn't different from the past.

Anyone interested should just check out the long running "setting up IP games" thread or contact us via ICQ.



Rich

	15-01-2002 20:03									#6
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I'm still around but my opinions about whats fun has apparently changed. Don't have the patience I once had. 1x1x games have suddenly become too slow for me. I'm also not that interested in diplo games like I once was.

I anticipate my future circle of civ players to be very small, as I think I will become quite picky on what kind of game I'll play......I'll see though.

	15-01-2002 20:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by rah We've lost a couple of players from our group. Rich

Hope you're not including me in that. I'm just temporarily lost, and it ain't because of Civ III, which I haven't been able to play either. Hopefully I'll be back sooner rather than later.

I do note, however, that Saturday nights have been considerably more sober lately. But maybe that should be

	15-01-2002 21:45									#8
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Good to hear it Bird. You've been missed. Hope you get everything straightened out soon.

Sober, BAH

RAH

	16-01-2002 02:27									#9
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I will play with you Dad.

I enjoy playing Civ3 , its a nice single player game.

I still enjoy playing Civ2 MP as well.

If we get some people to play on our Aussie evenings you can count me in.

	16-01-2002 05:10									#10
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The big drawback for me is the kids. Mrs Horse is on a fitness kick so I'm minding the boys a lot on weeknights.

	16-01-2002 05:18									#11
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...is that what she tells you?

	16-01-2002 09:16									#12
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quote: Originally posted by drake I'm still around but my opinions about whats fun has apparently changed. Don't have the patience I once had. 1x1x games have suddenly become too slow for me. I'm also not that interested in diplo games like I once was.

Oh no! Drake, diplogaming can't loose you. You are one of the good ones. At least show up for the first Civ3 MP Diplogame if it comes to pass.

	16-01-2002 19:28									#13
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If and when that happens ozzy, I'll probably be available for it........can't guarantee anything however.

	18-01-2002 08:41									#14
	Civ2MP rocks like rebelyell Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

I just love it!

Civ 3 is a good SP game but I don't enjoy it. I'm not entirely sure if that's due to the lack of MP or whether it's more than that. At first I really loved the early game, however the late game is so slow and boring in the ones I tried to play... just gave up, my PC too slow, I dunno....

But we just started a new USA Sat night Civ2 diplo and I love this 10x more than Civ3. My top game pref is Civ2MP and I hope we can get another Aussie regular session happening soon too.

If Civ3MP happens I hope I'm not disappointed... but from what I can see Civ2MP will have a resurgence of popularity!

	19-01-2002 04:21									#15
	Aussie group restart Get a bigger avatar today!

Deity is keen to play
Hydey he wants in
Horse can free one night up
Finbar ,will we here from him?
Raz , any chance for you?

	21-01-2002 04:17									#16
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I'm back into civ2 every1, after about 1 and a bit years of not playing it at all.
if any1 wants 2 have a game my icq # is 136675697
and my MSN is xyakks@hotmail.com

hopeing 2 c every 1 soon,

civ 3 sucks ass, its boaring, its a different game completely,
and god the units all look the same!!

	21-01-2002 04:24									#17
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i can play every monday, wednesday and friday nights, after i get home from footy training im 2 tiered 2 do anything else..

	22-01-2002 06:02									#18
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Perhaps we can try for Friday Night this week , I will be here .

Any takers fellow Aussies???????????

	22-01-2002 06:24									#19
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i could play, but im a bit rusty..

	22-01-2002 06:36									#20
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we are all rusty relics

	22-01-2002 06:44									#21
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yeah your all relics, im just rusty at playing the game mp

	22-01-2002 07:11									#22
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if you put your heads together you should be ok

	23-01-2002 00:19									#23
	Re: Civ2MP rocks like rebelyell Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by deity Civ 3 is a good SP game but I don't enjoy it. I'm not entirely sure if that's due to the lack of MP or whether it's more than that. At first I really loved the early game, however the late game is so slow and boring in the ones I tried to play... just gave up, my PC too slow, I dunno....

I think that once some players have experienced MP, they find it hard to go back to SP mode. I know that, for myself, I just can't find much enjoyment in SP. I need to know there is a real, thinking player on the other side.

It is easy to beat the AI in some ways (it can be stupid), and it is impossible to beat it in some other ways(it can cheat unmercilessly and it knows where everything is). I don't want to do either, I want to match skills with a real person. Even if I lose.

	23-01-2002 02:02									#24
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gotta agree CB. Human players are the only way to go.
I was bored/irritated with CIV III in just a couple of games.

I didn't mind the AI cheating in CIV II as much because through the use of the cheat menu, we could study just how the AI cheated and plan our stratagy accordingly. We knew the size of the production and food boxes at the different diff levels. In CIV III we aren't as sure and it sometimes leads to seemingly impossible things.

I.E. (deity) Neighbor civ. I meet real real early (within the first 5 turns). One city. As soon as it cranked a settler, two cities. ( I was watching when the second city was placed in the diplo screen to get a feel for how long it took to crank out the settler, pretty damn fast) So I killed the city right away. The cap must have immediately cranked a second. And sent it to the exact location. So I killed this one too. This was happening faster than the cap should have been able to crank settlers. Now this didn't really bother me that much. I expect the AI to out produce me. But I figured I was at least hamstringing the AI from developing anything else.

WRONG

A stack of 10 warriors showed up to attack one of my cities at least 10 squares from his cap. How one city that was continually cranking settlers could also find the time to produce 10 warriors to attack, (above and beyond what it had for city defense) is beyond any imagination. Maybe if I knew, I wouldn't feel so frustrated with it. I really miss the cheat menu as a tool to learn the mechanics of the game as applied to the AI.


On the other hand, I'm looking forward to MP because no matter how flawed the game is, we'll all be in the same boat. Yes, I would like to see quite a few things changed but as long as everyone has to deal with the same problems, I can live with it.

Rich

	30-01-2002 02:27									#25
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A lot of guys i used to play often aren't around. Don't have time to play much anymore unfortunately, so i'm a bit afraid to commit to a diplogame.

	31-01-2002 19:48									#26
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From reading some threads in the CIV III forums, it appears that the supper production that I attributed to the AI in my previous post was just a result of how much the AIs start with at Deity level. Multiple settlers and a ready horde of warriors. I don't know how people figured that out, but that's exactly the type of thing that I would like to know so it can be countered.

RAH
Until MP comes out, CIV II MP is still the only fun Civ has to offer.

	01-02-2002 05:23									#27
	I agree Rah! Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: Originally posted by rah EDIT... RAH Until MP comes out, CIV II MP is still the only fun Civ has to offer.

Absolutely, but:
a) I'm not confident Civ3MP will come out and;
b) If it does I'm not confident Civ3MP will be any good.

	01-02-2002 06:39									#28
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Deity i agree wholeheartedly with that statement..

must be the new year

	01-02-2002 06:58									#29
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Count me in on that opinion, too!

	01-02-2002 10:56									#30
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear Count me in on that opinion, too!

What an ageeable lot!

LOL, good to see you guys still around.