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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:17
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In 1948, Herbert Levine invented an inexpensive, compact, lightweight, spray-on structural steel thermal insulation comprised of asbestos and rock wool.
In 1971, when the WTC towers were being constructed, the city of New York banned the use of asbestos. But the builders could not go back to the method of skyscraper construction used for The Empire State building and other, older skyscrapers because the steel frames used in them were insulated by a couple feet of concrete. Doing this would have added too much weight to the top floors for the lower 64 to support.
The Port Authority wasn't about to tear down the half-completed structures so the builders rigged a non-asbestos "substitute". Back in the 70's, Mr Levine said if a fire ever breaks out above the 64th floor, the tower(s) would collapse. He was right...
-information from Durk Pearson, "Reflections" - Feb 2002 "Liberty" magazine
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Guynemer
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Berzerker, do you have any idea at all how many people died of asbestos-related diseases in the past fifty years? Construction workers, sailors, dockworkers, contractors? The stuff is POISON.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:17
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Ted - quote:
****ing brilliant Berzerker. |
I see you're still in pain from all the other threads, Ted. Try to relax, son, you'll get a stroke long before your time. Well, someone as stupid as you will find a way of going before too long I guess 
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Next I say we advocate going back to lead based paint and gasoline while we are at it. |
Hmm...and this is your proof that I'm "****ing brilliant"? Where did I say we should still be using asbestos? I said they should have either completed the buildings with the asbestos or restarted.
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Of course, they should have completed the thing with it being full of asbestos, that way the entire city of Manhattan would have gotten coated in it. |
They didn't tear out the asbestos used to coat the first 64 floors. And the point(s) you obviously missed was that the towers may not have collapsed if the insulator known to work was used.
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I should point out that "Liberty" Magazine is sponsored by "Laissez Faire Books." |
Well, that obviously means Mr Levine who invented the process for insulating steel was part of a libertarian conspiracy too, right? He was the one who said a fire above the 64th floor would cause the towers to collapse. 
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What we have here is a pathetic and opportunistic use of a tragic situation to promote the "evils" of government intervention. |
I see, when the free market causes "problems" you don't like and identify, we are not to accuse you of being "pathetic and opportunistic" for using a tragic situation to promote your ideology of big government, but when government screws up royally, we should just remain silent lest the sheen of your ideology be tarnished? Can you ever avoid polluting a thread with your hypocrisy?
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That intervention being "environmentalism" in this case.
****ing pathetic. |
Not nearly as pathetic as a scorned liberal constantly seeking revenge for being whooped in one debate after another. 
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Anyway, this is a fallacious argument and I'm surprised that you would put much stock in it, Berzerker (very sloppy reasoning by the article writer). Levine didn't say anything about large jet carriers filled to the brim with fuel hitting the towers. |
That doesn't prove the article fallacious. The asbestos coating was invented to prevent the steel from weakening from fire. The buildings did not collapse from the impacts and the fireballs, but after long exposure to fire. Levine predicted they would collapse if a fire broke out and they did collapse. Had a fire broke out at the 65th floor, there was PLENTY of material to fuel a fire big enough to weaken the steel above if not properly insulated.
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The article writer goes on to imply by clumsy sophistry that if the asbestos were done to the top, 9/11 could have been avoided. I'm guessing that opinion is well above his pay grade. |
And you know the towers would have collapsed even if the steel superstructure was properly insulated? Given the fact they left the asbestos coating the first 64 floors, don't you think it wise to finish the job with an insulator known to work instead of finishing the job haphazardly or re-doing the whole thing? "Clumsy sophistry"? I"ll bet the correct insulation would have allowed those firefighters to get up there in enough time to combat the fire...
"what you have FAILED TO RECOGNIZE is that out of wedlock births HAVE INCREASED FOR EVERY MARITAL STATUS." - from Ted Striker, the "King of Dumb"
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:17
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Ted - "what you have FAILED TO RECOGNIZE is that out of wedlock births HAVE INCREASED FOR EVERY MARITAL STATUS." - from Ted Striker, the "King of Dumb"
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18-01-2002 09:28
I was commenting on this, The stuff is POISON.
funny stuff. I think they broke 1 window. I can do more damage with a baseball 
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