18-01-2002 22:16									#1
	What Do You Find Most Irritating? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

Maybe it's been asked.
If so, I didn't see it and maybe it's time to ask again.

What about the game are you struggling with the most?
For me, it's Major Wonder building.
In the game I'm playing now, I was 2 turns from completing Hanging Gardens and got beat to it.
No other Wonders available so there goes the production that was spent right out the window.


Is there something I'm not looking at, and should be?

	18-01-2002 22:41									#2
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It's when the AI decides to attack you and then buys off everyone else to attack you at once. You just can't win, 6 to 1.

Last edited by FrantzX on 19-01-2002 at 01:27

	18-01-2002 23:22									#3
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Could you rephrase that, please?

	19-01-2002 00:18									#4
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Bizarre unit activation sequencing. I stopped playing mainly on account of it.

	19-01-2002 00:21									#5
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just switch your production to palace if you dont have time to complet it and then, when you get a new wonder, switch it back to that new wonder.

easy.

	19-01-2002 00:21									#6
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I do think civ3 is an entertaining game, but, I get annoyed with shuffling so many units in the late game. Stacking would help SO much.

	19-01-2002 00:23									#7
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boredom caused by lack of scenarios and lack of MP

	19-01-2002 00:52									#8
	Most Irritating (but okay (I suppose)) Put an end to popups!

Having to have numerical superiority (or at least parity) in units to destroy an enemy stack.

Blitz won't work unless you have 3 MP.

I don't mind tanks vs. spearmen (aka militia), but the modern unit supposedly is also bigger and should be able to take out more than one unit. A 2-MP blitz unit can't attack the same square twice in one turn.

	19-01-2002 01:09									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Spectator just switch your production to palace if you dont have time to complet it and then, when you get a new wonder, switch it back to that new wonder. easy.

I wasn't aware of this.

	19-01-2002 01:27									#10
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I find Republicans and Libertarians most iritating.

	19-01-2002 01:33									#11
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Too bad that counts towards your cumulative post total.

	19-01-2002 01:44									#12
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quote: I find Republicans and Libertarians most iritating.

Republicans are Democrats without conscience, and Democrats are Republicans without prudence.

	19-01-2002 02:47									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian Republicans are Democrats without conscience, and Democrats are Republicans without prudence.

I think this is best thing I've read to date, but I started it way OT, I'm sorry for that.

	19-01-2002 03:20									#14
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pollution..there is no way to completely stop it so no use growing beyond size 12.Unless you like cleaning it up.

Culture flips-stupid aspect of the game.I can just build on borders and watch my culture swallow up cities.Same thing with "bases" the ai sets up in my territory.No need to fear...just swallow them up.
Also flipping during conquest.1 turn I captured 7 cities.3 turns later,5 of them have flipped back.Call it what you like,I call it "exit civ3" for the night and then some.

Combat-sorry,but I still get outrageous results.The invincible unit is pure crap.The whole process can be very frustrating.ITS NOT HARD!!!!!....just frustrating.War against the ai is ridiculously easy in 3.

Nothing to explore-very irritating.What is the use of sending out some exploration parties?..there is none.All you will find is ai cities everywhere.ALL land is filled up by 10 ad or so.They dump caravans and dips..but keep explorers????...good thinking..I luv units that are obsolete before they are discovered.


WAITING--the game is a series of waits.Wait for swords or horses.Then wait for knights.Then for good boats.Then wait for cav...ETC.Problem is there is nothing I can do to beat the research caps....so I wait even longer for the inevitible...usually the wait outlasts the interest and games are not "finished".

All civ games have that point of "going thru the motions".At least in 2 you could drastically speed things up and get the heck out of there.

	19-01-2002 05:32									#15
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I hate the fact that I can't kill a unit with bombardment. I made a post about this, as the AI is killing my units with three or four waves of jets on the same unit, eventually killing it (and its the only unit standing there!).

	19-01-2002 05:52									#16
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People who post to moan rather than post to discuss how to play the game. Hey Smash, maybe if you explored a little faster you too could get some cities into the wide open spaces. Start pressing your luck by sending escorted settlers through territory of a civ you're at peace with to get to unsettled territory on the far side. Most of the time you get a couple of chances to apologize and keep moving before the AI runs out of patience and demands you immediately leave. By then you may actually be through and you won't have violated your treaty.

One of the best things about this version of Civ is how the AI finally makes intelligent land grabbing decisions. If you sit on your butt it will cut you off and take all the available land. It will violate your borders to get settlers to places that are in your area of influence but still outside your culture boundaries (apologizing all the way of course). Trading your map with the AI in SMAC was a good trade because it would rarely take advantage of the info, now it actually starts picking off your unsettled areas if you give it the info - a huge improvement.

	19-01-2002 06:39									#17
	Re: What Do You Find Most Irritating? Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Maybe it's been asked. If so, I didn't see it and maybe it's time to ask again. What about the game are you struggling with the most? For me, it's Major Wonder building. In the game I'm playing now, I was 2 turns from completing Hanging Gardens and got beat to it. No other Wonders available so there goes the production that was spent right out the window. Is there something I'm not looking at, and should be?

No, you were just beaten to the punch. Unless you have a Great Leader handy there's not much you can do about it but groan.

	19-01-2002 06:45									#18
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The fact that the game gets old sooner than a TBS should.

	19-01-2002 06:54									#19
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quote: Originally posted by ****gyRA I find Republicans and Libertarians most iritating.

Don't start him up, please I beg you! He's been so nice lately!

	19-01-2002 06:56									#20
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perhaps you should reread smash's post, he is refering to the explorer unit...

	19-01-2002 07:04									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Whoha perhaps you should reread smash's post, he is refering to the explorer unit...

He complains about the futility of sending out exploration parties because the AI got there first and THEN says the explorer unit comes too late. Well, the AI doesn't have explorers either, so there has to be some reason they got there first - it seems most likely that the AI is simply doing a better job of expanding than Smash. What am I missing?

As for whether explorers come too late, I think they do, but they did in Civ2 as well, so I don't really feel all that upset. I just do most of my exploring the same way I always have, with riders and galleys.

	19-01-2002 07:09									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Echinda One of the best things about this version of Civ is how the AI finally makes intelligent land grabbing decisions.

Intelligent?!!? It just plops down a settler wherever there's an empty space! I boosted my food consumption to 3 in order to slow it down a bit, and to be able to use the terrain somewhat strategically, and it STILL builds a city in the middle of the desert. A turn or two later, the city has starved itself to extinction. And it will probably send a Settler to that exact same spot over and over again, until the game is over. Insistent yes, intelligent no.

BTW, that is what I find most irritating. (No time to think now: build a Settler>plop, build a Settler>plop) It's much better now that I'm able to starve it out of a few locations though.

	19-01-2002 07:22									#23
	Re: Most Irritating (but okay (I suppose)) Support Apolyton

quote: Originally posted by Jaybe Having to have numerical superiority (or at least parity) in units to destroy an enemy stack.

I recall reading some WWII general, I don't remember who it was, saying that in order to be fairly certain of an offensive victory, the attacker should have a 2:1 advantage.

	19-01-2002 07:27									#24
	Put an end to popups!

Did you ever play Civ2? If you had units around you could watch the AI pump out settlers and then moronically shuffle them around for centuries without ever doing anything with them besides build roads to nowhere. Hell, a city in the desert is a huge improvement over watching the settler shuffle.

	19-01-2002 07:34									#25
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The "switch to palace" option to save your production for a wonder that you were building and got beaten to doesn't work if you're building said wonder in your capitol.

So, yeah, that's a pretty lousy "feature," if you ask me. I'd like to get some equivalent "Wealth" credits at least for all the lost time.

	19-01-2002 07:41									#26
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Echinda Did you ever play Civ2? If you had units around you could watch the AI pump out settlers and then moronically shuffle them around for centuries without ever doing anything with them besides build roads to nowhere. Hell, a city in the desert is a huge improvement over watching the settler shuffle.

Yes I did play Civ 2 (ToT), and Civ 1, and Alpha Centauri. And I don't see any real difference except for the fact that it has become much, much more persistant about it. Frankly, a little to persistant. IMHO.

Almost forgot, Colonization as well. Same thing.

	19-01-2002 07:48									#27
	Re: Most Irritating (but okay (I suppose)) Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Willem I recall reading some WWII general, I don't remember who it was, saying that in order to be fairly certain of an offensive victory, the attacker should have a 2:1 advantage.

No, the attacker should have at least a 3:1 advantage! But that includes strength in power.

My point was that 1 tank or mech infantry (or anything shy of a 3-MP blitz unit) cannot in one turn even take out 2 Warriors (already bombarded to 1-HP each) that are stacked.

	29-01-2002 00:46									#28
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The most irritating thing is the other Civ sticking its annoying little cities in the worst possible places. I know I hate to overlap my cities, does the AI think that sticking a city 2 tiles away from mine is a good idea. It always causes me to go to war and that just ticks me off. I've started solidifying any way into the spaces my culture hasn't covered yet just to keep the AI out. Do you know how much that can cost when you're running a republic or democracy?

Oh, I hate those little workers too. I'm not sure why yet, but I think they're evil in a way we will never know.

	29-01-2002 02:42									#29
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Shuffling many units is very annoying yes...

AI diplomacy also gets irritating for me... just that if you're equal or ahead in any way they all team up on you and demand everything but the shirt on your back when negotiating any sort of trades. This is usually a good way to keep players challenged, but it seems it's just taken to the extreme...

	29-01-2002 02:53									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Willem Intelligent?!!? It just plops down a settler wherever there's an empty space! I boosted my food consumption to 3 in order to slow it down a bit, and to be able to use the terrain somewhat strategically, and it STILL builds a city in the middle of the desert.

The more area you cover, the better chance you have of picking up strategic resources later in the game, and like it or not, those resources often appear in desert, mountains, and arctic areas.