19-01-2002 12:10									#1
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Do you remember the fun you had with Panzer General, Allied General, Pacific General as well as Panzer General 2? Well the fun is still going strong.

Below you will find links to several of the biggest, most informative forums and websites on the internet that deal with these games and a whole lot more. The members are wargamers just like you, and they are having a blast with these games.

You will find dozens of new equipment files, hundreds of new maps, literally hundreds of new campaigns, scenarios and new graphical units for all of the above games. And best of all, you will have a great time getting to know the great guys that contribute to these games and more.

And lest I forget, you can get most of these wargames for FREE - as a free download.

That's right. It's all FREE.

So what are you waiting for? Hop on over and check them out


1) JP Panzer's Forums

http://pub88.ezboard.com/bjpspanzers


2) Builder's Paradise Forums

http://pub28.ezboard.com/bbuildersparadise


3) Steve Brown's Campaign Site

http://www.wargamer.com/pg2campaigns/


4) The Armory

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/home...ker/armory.html


5) The Wargamer - Panzer General 2

http://www.wargamer.com/archive/

Last edited by Leonidas on 19-01-2002 at 12:19

	19-01-2002 21:25									#2
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Do you know where I could find a toutorial for The Opperational Art of War, II?

	19-01-2002 21:31									#3
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Yes.

Did I answer your question?

	19-01-2002 21:39									#4
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DinoDoc:

Here are a couple of sites that should help you out. TOAW II is a great game. Also check out the Wargamer site for more scenarios for this game


http://hjem.get2net.dk/PlanetHolger.../toaw/index.htm


The Wargamer:

Click on this link and then scroll down to Strategy and Tactics, and there you'll find several articles dealing with strategy for TOAW II and many more wargames:

http://www.wargamer.com/turret/turret_main.asp


Cheers

	22-01-2002 08:00									#5
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Muchas Gracias Leonidas

A lot of very useful bits'n'pieces in that lot. Editors, maps, units, the works.

Not wanting to be too greedy but you wouldn't happen to have a similar site for Star General too by any chance would you?

	22-01-2002 09:28									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Leonidas Urban Ranger: You naughty boy

I never played PG. Got started with PG 2 but mainly play PG 3 and used to play PG 3D.

	24-01-2002 14:54									#7
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ravagon:

Sorry, I don't have any sites for Star General. I mainly play wargames when I'm not playing Civ

I hope you have some luck finding what you need.



Urban Ranger:

Panzer General is still a lot of fun. You can download a free copy from the web.

Panzer General 2 is stronger today than when it was released 5 years ago. Have you tried some of the new campaigns and equipment files? All your questions will be answered at JP's Panzers. Very helpful bunch of fellas.

They range in age from 15 to 65 - so everyone is welcome.

	24-01-2002 18:45									#8
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Do any of these war games come with a tutorial? Figuring out how to get over the initial hump seems to be my biggest hurdle to actually enjoying the genera.

	24-01-2002 21:44									#9
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DinoDoc:

What wargame are you having problems with?

Some of ythe games do have tutorials and strategy guides.

Also, if you are playing a game and are having problems with it, all you have to do is ask, and I am sure I, or several other people will be able to help you

	24-01-2002 22:26									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Leonidas What wargame are you having problems with?

I really only have two questions.

1) Of the wargames that you listed that are free for download, which one would you recommend to a person that hasn't played such a game before?

2) In The Operational Art of War, II, which of the scenarios would be good to start out on in order to get your sea legs for the game so to speak?

	25-01-2002 08:50									#11
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc 1) Of the wargames that you listed that are free for download, which one would you recommend to a person that hasn't played such a game before?

I would recommend playing a board wargame with a human first.

Axis and Allies (or Risk) doesn't count, but all the vintage Avalon Hill and SPI games do. Okay, most of them.

Hm, you could even try Steven Jackon's Car Wars and Orge, or small ones such as Metagaming's Grav Armor and Black Hole.

	25-01-2002 08:52									#12
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc 2) In The Operational Art of War, II, which of the scenarios would be good to start out on in order to get your sea legs for the game so to speak?

That's pretty complex, you don't want to start out with that. Panzer General 2 is much simpler. You can also try Pazer General 3 though it's not a free game.

	25-01-2002 10:07									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Panzer General 2 is much simpler. You can also try Pazer General 3 though it's not a free game.

I cann't find a link to download Panzer General 2. Is the Patton vs. Rommel from Underdogs good?

	25-01-2002 11:53									#14
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DinoDoc:

1) Currently PG2 is not available as a free download. The link I had is not available. That may change in the near future. I think it has been re-released and can be found in computer stores bundled with 3 other games at a very cheap price.

In the meantime, I would suggest downloading Allied General (it's available at the underdog site).

Then for information on how to play it as well as the patch you will need head on over to:

JP's Panzers

http://pub88.ezboard.com/bjpspanzers

You'll find a sub-forum there dedicated to Allied General. You'll get all the help you need there


2) Since you already have TOAW II, I would suggest playing an Arab/Israeli scenario ('56, '67, or '73). These scenarios are smaller and with the mid-east currently in the news, it should be quite relevant

Again, head over to JP's, and in the sub-forum Wargamer, you can discuss the game there if you want.


I find a lot of the newer games coming on the market may have the glitz, etc, but I always find myself going back to the "older" games time-and-time again. There was something special in how they were created. They were fun

What's happened to games today? Where is that spark that made games so special?

	26-01-2002 00:52									#15
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Operational Art of War COW edition great game as well as PG3 scorched earth!

	29-01-2002 18:50									#16
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Fantasy General. I think this is great game, though I've never tried any other games in General-series (I don't even know why I never did - maybe I was happy with FG). What I've heard, this is basically the same game as Panzer General, but with fantasy units, and I think it's cool...

If you have never played FG, and if you like wargames and D&D - you may like this game too...

	29-01-2002 22:55									#17
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Haupt. Dietrich:

Yes, the TOAW COW edition is the best version of the game. It's kinda fun playing scenarios based on events that we currently read about in the news

aaglo:

I have heard that FG is a very good game, although I've never had a chance to play it. I'll have to try it soon.

If you like FG, you might also like Panzer General (you are a general that fights historical battles from 1939 to 1945. Along the way, you build an elite core of militray units such as Tiger tanks, recon units, artillery, fighters, etc), Allied General, and Panzer General 2.

After a while, you get attached to the core units that you add to your little band of invaders.

You can get PG and AG as free downloads, and we're working on getting PG2 as a free download.

	31-01-2002 20:25									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Leonidas Haupt. Dietrich: Yes, the TOAW COW edition is the best version of the game. It's kinda fun playing scenarios based on events that we currently read about in the news

Agreed. I particulary enjoyed all the middle east scenarios. I even liked the WWI scenario!

	31-01-2002 21:00									#19
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Hmm, I detested PG 3D Assault but this has made me reconsider getting PG3 SE. It looks like they made significant playing differences.

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quote: originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich Agreed. I particulary enjoyed all the middle east scenarios. I even liked the WWI scenario

It's great to play a game that models all conflicts, past and present. The wargamer.com has a ton of user scenarios for all of the TOAW series.

TOAW is essentially a game of maneuver: picture the German Blitzkrieg during the opening phases of Barbarossa, when massive Soviet armies were surrounded, cut-off from supply, and were forced to capitulate.

One of my favourite scenarios is the Korean War (1950-53) found in TOAW I. It's a blast trying to re-create MacArthur's brilliant end-run at Inchon

	01-02-2002 09:25									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold Hmm, I detested PG 3D Assault but this has made me reconsider getting PG3 SE. It looks like they made significant playing differences.

There are several differences:

• All units now take up just one slot regardless of the ranking of leaders
• AA guns are a lot weaker
• Leaders don't automatically get medals when they reach rank 5
• There are new victory conditions

	01-02-2002 10:04									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Leonidas You can get PG and AG as free downloads, and we're working on getting PG2 as a free download.

Underdogs also has PacGen as downloadable. FG and SG also but PG2 and Peoples General (my personal fav ) are still just links.

	01-02-2002 18:48									#23
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Leonidas,

I like the Korean War scenario but can never pull off a win with the North Korean's. OTOH trying to save the South is indeed fun, agreed.

Wargamer.com, now that's a website for all your TOAW needs! Downloaded quite a few scenarios from here. One in particular that was interesting to play was a hypothetical conflict between modern day Germany and Poland.

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ravagon:

I have to agree that People's General is an excellent game. The interface is very well done, but it would be nice to see other theatres of conflict be modelled in the game.

Haupt. Dietrich:

Have you tried attacking the South and THEN retreating north? If you can draw the South Koreans/Americans north, try to get them to approach BOTH the Chinese and Soviet borders. There is a percentage chance that the closer the UN forces approach these borders that both the Chinese and Soviets will intervene in the conflict. This should be done fairly quickly, as the UN ground forces will receive huge reinforcements at Pusan later in the conflict.

The North Koreans NEED this massive influx of communist air and ground forces.

On the other hand, this increases the likelihood that the UN (read the United States) may use tactical nuclear weapons.

Oh, the dilemmas of fighting regional and global conflicts

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Here is another very professional and very interesting site that is just PACKED with many interesting downloads, strategies, editors, etc for many of the above wargames:

http://www.peachmountain.com/5star/


You will find a ton of stuff on this site.

Who needs to buy new games, when all the older games are being improved?

Step back into the future

Have fun!

	03-02-2002 06:19									#26
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Gee I wish that I could find a copy of TOAW in Australia

	03-02-2002 09:58									#27
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Case: TOAW can be ordered through Talonsoft's website. Or through another on-line store. If you want to buy a copy I would suggest purchasing TOAW: COW (Century of Warfare). This version includes all of the previous additions and patches. And there are lots of scenarios for it available at the wargamer site.

In the mean time here is a free wargame download called "The Ardennes Offensive". Can you accomplish what the Germans failed to do during the famous Battle of the Bulge? Test your skill as a general


http://www.wargamer.com/wachtamrhein/


Here is a view of the game screen:


http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/tao2/losheim.jpg

Last edited by Leonidas on 03-02-2002 at 10:26

	04-02-2002 05:02									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Case Gee I wish that I could find a copy of TOAW in Australia

I've had the same problem. Apparently it did come through more than a year ago but I never saw it.
I don't suppose there's any form of upgrade patch to convert 1 & 2 to CoW?
I'm guessing no but you never know...

	04-02-2002 06:19									#29
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon I've had the same problem. Apparently it did come through more than a year ago but I never saw it.

I saw a copy of TOAW 2 last year, but it cost well over $100 and I didn't have the money at the time

	04-02-2002 09:11									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Case I saw a copy of TOAW 2 last year, but it cost well over $100 and I didn't have the money at the time

There's one of those 3-pack packages (about $25 Aus) that's supposed to have OaW, Jagged Alliance 2 and the Kosovo expansion for OaW2. In reality it has both OaW's and the Expansion (Plus JA2 I guess - haven't tried that one) but all of the disks are mislabelled. Unfortunately its not the CoW edition though.