20-01-2002 18:40									#31
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Stefu - thanks for the info.

It seems that I should know who are Kari Enqvist, Anthony Giddens, Thomas Hobbes and Martin Buber, but I don't have a clue.

I don't want their biography, just a little info.

	20-01-2002 21:42									#32
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I got Russell. That's okay, but I expected existentialists Søren (Sören) Kierkegaard and especially Sartre. I wonder what I did "wrong".

	21-01-2002 01:20									#33
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Mihai,

Okay I know a little bit aboot Hobbes (who is not who I chose the name after, I chose my name after my love for the comic strip 'Calvin and Hobbes', and the name 'Calvin' was kinda boring so I chose Hobbes, anyway...)
here's what I dug up:
Hobbes believed that humans were basically selfish creatures who would do anything to better their position. Left to themselves, he thought, people would act on their evil impulses. According to Hobbes, people therefore should not be trusted to make decisions on their own. In addition, Hobbes felt that nations, like people, were selfishly motivated. To Hobbes, each country was in a constant battle for power and wealth. To prove his point, Hobbes wrote, "If men are naturally in a state of war, why do they always carry arms and why do they have keys to lock their doors?"

	21-01-2002 08:15									#34
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Hobbes wrote "Leviathan", arguably the greatest work of political philosophy in the English language. He may or may not be credited with originating the concept of the social contract (depending who you ask).

Notice how Calvin and Hobbes are both names of famous philosophers?

	21-01-2002 09:13									#35
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quote: VERTAILUN TULOS Mielipiteitäsi lähimpänä oleva filosofi on Phineas Parkhurst Quimby (1802-1866). [ Lisätietoja filosofista ] Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit: 1. Phineas Parkhurst Quimby 81.0% 2. Thomas Malthus 80.0% 3. John Locke 80.0% Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Gilles Deleuze 36.0% Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi: 1. MTK:n pj. Esa Härmälä 74.0% 2. Kansanedustaja Ben Zyskowicz 73.0% 3. Yrittäjä Aira Samulin 67.0%

What's all that the bottom?

quote: Alla olevasta linkistä pääset sivulle jossa näet miten SOPHIA-tuloksensa meille lähettäneet ovat vastanneet kysymyksiin (% osuudet). Valitettavasti et enää voi lähettää omaa vastaustasi mukaan vertailuun. OHJE: Talleta tai tulosta tämä sivu jos haluat muistaa vastauksesi. VASTAAJIEN VERTAILU

	21-01-2002 09:56									#36
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Alla olevasta linkistä pääset sivulle jossa näet miten SOPHIA-tuloksensa
meille lähettäneet ovat vastanneet kysymyksiin (% osuudet).

From the link below you'll get to the page where you'll see how other people have answered in these quoestions

Valitettavasti et enää voi lähettää omaa vastaustasi
mukaan vertailuun.

Unfortunately you can't send your own answer with the comparison anymore.

OHJE: Talleta tai tulosta tämä sivu jos haluat muistaa vastauksesi.

HINT: Save or print this page if you wish to remember your answer.

VASTAAJIEN VERTAILU

comparison of the answerers

	21-01-2002 21:40									#37
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger I recognize Habermas and Schopenhauer (although I'm not familiar with Schopenhauer's work), and I think that Anton LaVey was the fellow who founded the Church of Satan. Don't recognize anybody on the bottom.

But did you come out as a pear or as a lobster telephone?

	21-01-2002 21:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Fergus Horkan But did you come out as a pear or as a lobster telephone?

Actually, I came out as a banana and a lobster telephone. Now I'm really confused, because to the best of my knowledge, Habermas is a pear and Schopenhauer is a Benoit Mandelbrot Holding A Duck.

	21-01-2002 21:55									#39
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quote: VERTAILUN TULOS Mielipiteitäsi lähimpänä oleva filosofi on Arkkipiispa Paavali (1914-1988). [ Lisätietoja filosofista ] Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit: 1. Arkkipiispa Paavali 77.0% 2. Hildegard Bingeniläinen 75.0% 3. Baruch (Benedict) Spinoza 73.0% Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu L. Ron Hubbard 45.0% Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi: 1. MTK:n pj. Esa Härmälä 73.0% 2. Kansanedustaja Ben Zyskowicz 72.0% 3. Arkkipiispa Jukka Paarma 69.0%

Huh... could someone explain to me what the heck is written above, please?

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Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

1. René Descartes 78.0%
2. Sören Kierkegaard 77.0%
3. Edmund Burke 77.0%
Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Gilles Deleuze 36.0%

Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

1. Arkkipiispa Jukka Paarma 76.0%
2. Kirjailija Antti Tuuri 75.0%
3. Arkkipiista (emer) John Vikström 73.0%



Who is Soren Kiekegaard?


Is this the guy who supposedly doesnt agree with me at all?-------------------Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Gilles Deleuze 36.0%

	22-01-2002 04:10									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kublai-Khan Who is Soren Kiekegaard?

He was an existentialist.

	22-01-2002 11:01									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Hobbes To Hobbes, each country was in a constant battle for power and wealth. [/B]

IMO all wars (with very little exceptions) were/are fought for economic reasons. No surprise that this test put me near Hobbes. When I'll have more time I'll do a search for him - he seems to be a smart guy

	22-01-2002 11:23									#43
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1. Bacon 71.0%
2. Thomas Hobbes 67.0%
3. Charles Darwin 65.0%
Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Jacques Derrida 36.0%

Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

1. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 66.0%
2. Yrittäjä Aira Samulin 63.0%
3. Kansanedustaja Ben Zyskowicz 62.0%

	22-01-2002 18:32									#44
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Whoo hoo! I got Tuure Lehén, who is known for, for example, being an officer in the Red Army and being in the Terijoki government !!! (The questions where I DISagreed with him: 11, 12, 16, 17 (don't slap me), 19 (so he wasn't a good guy after all), 27, 29 and 30.)

After him comes Kari Enqvist, of whom I have never heard, and Russel, of whom I have heard although I can't remember a damn thing about what his philosophy was...

The guy that is most against me: Carl Schmidt (who?)

And the other guys close to me...

Simo Frangén
Matti Makela (the first a should be a scand-a, I don't have a real keyboard at the moment)
Saska Snellman (who?)

	22-01-2002 19:09									#45
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quote: Originally posted by LightEning Whoo hoo! I got Tuure Lehén, who is known for, for example, being an officer in the Red Army and being in the Terijoki government !!!

My great grandfather's brother Akseli Anttila was the Defence Minister in the Terijoki goverment, so ha.

quote: And the other guys close to me... Simo Frangén

Why, why, for god's sake WHY can I not have Simo Frangén?

	22-01-2002 19:12									#46
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Woo-hoo! I am woman, hear me roar!

quote: Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit: 1. Mary Wollstonecraft 77.0% 2. Erkki Niinivaara 77.0% 3. Eduard Bernstein 75.0%

I quite admire Wollstonecraft, so that's nice indeed. But not as nice as the next bit of news, which validates my sense that I've been living right:

quote: Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu L. Ron Hubbard 43.0%

Still, there goes my hopes of having Tom Cruise and John Travolta over for dinner.

	22-01-2002 19:26									#47
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I thought this was interesting: after I took the test and got my match, I hit my "back" button and noticed my answers were still in place. Now, I am by nature even-tempered and a bit of an agnostic in all things, so most of my answers were "agree" and "disagree" rather than "strongly agree" and "strongly disagree." So I changed only the intesity of my answers, to where I had Strongly agree/disagree where I'd previously had agree/disagree and voila:

quote: Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit: 1. Gilles Deleuze 77.0% 2. Michel Foucault 73.0% 3. Wolfgang Fritz Haug 70.0% Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 34.0%

This would suggest that the only thing separating an Enlightment figure like Wollstonecraft and 20th century continental anti-rationalists like Deleuze and Foucault is the intensity of their convictions. That just can't be right.

Now I'm off to find out who this Blavatsky woman is.

	22-01-2002 20:48									#48
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1. Jürgen Habermas 79.0%
2. Erkki Niinivaara 77.0%
3. Ludwig Feuerbach 76.0%

Right

	22-01-2002 20:53									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly Now I'm off to find out who this Blavatsky woman is.

She was an occultist who, IIRC, was Hitler's personal astrologer.

	22-01-2002 21:20									#50
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lla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

1. Karl R. Popper 77.0%
2. John Locke 72.0%
3. Adam Smith 70.0%

Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 40.0%

Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

1. Toimittaja Pertti Salovaara 74.0%
2. Kansanedustaja Ben Zyskowicz 73.0%
3. Jääkiekkovalmentaja Juhani Tamminen 71.0%

No idea what the last 3 are about....

	22-01-2002 21:36									#51
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RJ: Well, Pertti Salovaara is a reporter, Ben Zyskowicz is a MP of (conservative) National Coalition party, representing the right flank of that party, and Juhani Tamminen an ice hockey coach.

	22-01-2002 22:27									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu RJ: Well, Pertti Salovaara is a reporter, Ben Zyskowicz is a MP of (conservative) National Coalition party, representing the right flank of that party, and Juhani Tamminen an ice hockey coach.

What a mix!

Not sure I like being compared to a far right politician though...

	22-01-2002 22:48									#53
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Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

1. Bertrand Russell 73.0%
2. Michel Foucault 73.0%
3. Edward Westermarck 72.0%
Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Sören Kierkegaard 41.0%

Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

1. Säveltäjä Einojuhani Rautavaara 76.0%
2. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 74.0%
3. Näyttelijä Mari Rantasila 73.0%



Can anyone tell me who the bottom 3 guys are?

	22-01-2002 23:16									#54
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Einojuhani Rautavaara - composer
Simo Frangen - Funny guy, known from TV and radio
Mari Rantasila - an actress

RJ - I wouldn't go as far as to call Ben far right. Conservative, yes, but not far right.

	23-01-2002 02:01									#55
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I would appreciate a translation as I don't speak Finnish...here it is:

VERTAILUN TULOS


Mielipiteitäsi lähimpänä oleva filosofi on Edward Westermarck (1862-1939).
[ Lisätietoja filosofista ]

Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

1. Edward Westermarck 77.0%
2. Kari Enqvist 77.0%
3. Jürgen Habermas 74.0%

Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Alasdair Macintyre 42.0%

Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

1. Kirjailija Matti Mäkelä 79.0%
2. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 75.0%
3. Toimittaja Saska Snellman 72.0%

	23-01-2002 02:16									#56
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Once more - and I'd appreciate info on ANY one of these people


1. Gilles Deleuze 74.0%
2. Jacques Lacan 73.0%
3. Tuure Lehén 71.0%

Tuomas Akvinolainen 36.0%

Toimittaja Salla Tuomivaara 73.0%
Yrittäjä 'Mato' Valtonen 73.0%
Kirjailija Tommy Tabermann 70.0%

	23-01-2002 02:27									#57
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Schmunk:

Salla Tuomivaara is a Green and animal rights activist.

Mato Valtonen was a member of the Leningrad Cowboys. He then tried his luck with those WAP gadgets.

Tommy Taberman writes erotic poetry.

Some group you got there, Schmunkster

	23-01-2002 04:26									#58
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Erotic poetry? LENINGRAD COWBOYS? Stefu, I am malcontent. I have reason to believe this entire thread was a setup, designed especially to undermine my very existence. I bet you have wet dreams about me trying once more so you can associate me with Tom of Finland. You are a maleficent, maglinoquent ragamuffin full of insouciance, a typical Finnish panjandrum.

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	23-01-2002 13:21									#59
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I noticed that people are particularly bewildered by their resemblances to Continental critical and post-structural theorists like Deleuze, Lacan, and Foucault. K.I.S.S. of the Panopticon is a great site for a quickie introduction on these guys and others.

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Alla 3 lähintä filosofia ja osumisprosentit:

1. Machiavelli 80.0%
2. Tuure Lehén 71.0%
3. Thomas Malthus 69.0%
Ajatuksiasi eniten vieroksuu Alasdair Macintyre 49.0%

Myös seuraavat 3 mielipidevaikuttajaa olivat lähinnä omaa vastaustasi:

1. Kansantaiteilija, yht.maist. Simo Frangen 72.0%
2. Yrittäjä Aira Samulin 70.0%
3. MTK:n pj. Esa Härmälä 69.0%

Simo Frangen?! Aira Samulin? No. No! No! NOOOOOOOoooo!..

Ben Z. is Conservative in FINLAND. By US standards, he would be leftist democratic.
We just don't have really far right party here. Unless the IKL aka Lapuanliike