24-01-2002 22:57									#1
	Modern Game of Civ... Put an end to popups!

Right, well, I have an aim for a part-mod. I want to change all the civilizations in the game and reowkr them from scratch. I'm coming from the "31 best and strongest countries in the world at teh moment" perspective. So, I have the civilizations I want, I just need to make sure I have up-to-date information regarding leaders. The list of nations (in alphabetical order) and their leaders is:

Afghanistan - Osama Bin Laden (I know he's wrong, but I don't know who the real leader is...)
Argentina - Carlos Menem
Australia - John Howard (seeing as Elizabeth II is an English Queen)
Brazil - Fernando Henrique Cardoso
Canada - Jean Chretien
China - Jiang Zemin
Colombia - Ernesto Samper Pizano
Croatia - Zlatko Matesa
England - Tony Blair
France - Jacques Chirac
Germany - Helmut Kohl
Greece - Costas Simitis
Holland (The Netherlands) - Wim Kok
India - Atal Beharee Vajpayee
Iran - Seyyed Mohammed Khatani
Iraq - Saddam Hussein
Ireland (Republic of) - Bertie Ahern (I hate to admit but I don't know this one, I think he's wrong)
Israel - Yassir Arafat
Italy - Romano Prodi
Japan - Emperor Akihito
Mexico - Ernesto Zedillo Ponce de Leon
Nigeria - Sani Abacha
Norway - Harald V
Poland - Alexander Kwasniewski
Russia - Vladimir Putin
South Africa - Nelson Mandela
Spain - Juan Carlos I
Sweden - Goran Persson
Turkey - Necmettin Erbakan
USA - George W Bush
Yugoslavia - Slobodan Milosevic

That's all of them. Now, I know a few of them are wrong/outdated for fact, because my encyclopedia is a few years old now. Such as Nelson Mandela for example. All help is very useful.

Also, remember that this list is my own opinion (based on no factual knowledge whatsoever) of the strongest countries. Amongst contention to replace countries are:

Austria - Thomas Kletsil
Switzerland - Arnald Koller
*other African countries* - I haven't got a great knowledge of the stronger countries of these you see...

Those that are up for possible replacement:

Nigeria (?)
Croatia (?)

Any suggestions are welcome, as long as they are a true belief. I don't want to be told, for example, that Mali have a strong military and are a strong force if they aren't. Also, there is another query.

The 32nd Civilization...

Meaning the Barbarians. These are of course, along with my theme, now re-named "Terrorist Networks." This is my bigger difficulty. I am needing great help in finding out who the 80 (or so) biggest terrorist networks in the world are. I don't care where they are from, be it well organised Mafia organisations, the Al Quaida (sp?) network, or ravaging African tribes. In this area of my problem, any suggestions will be even more helpful. Also, I don't mind if the terrorists are from a country already represented in my Civ game.

e.g. A terrorist network from Italy? That's fine. Even if the Italians are a nation in my game. Without wanting to sound lazy, I really do not know where I can find this information, so I've turned to you guys.

Thanks a lot in advance...

You can also e-mail me at nifty1pound50@aol.com if you want as well

	25-01-2002 10:38									#2
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Instead of correcting your list (I'm sorry to tell you, but most of the leaders are outdated), I'll tell you about this site where you can find all you need:

http://www.rulers.org

	25-01-2002 13:16									#3
	Put an end to popups!

I look forward to your power "mod". Looking at the list, I see 1 area of the world thats largely ignored -- asia. Countries like Korea, India & Pakistan should probably make the cut. This is especialy true when you consider that they are "all" nuclear powers and at least forces to be reckoned with.

	25-01-2002 21:29									#4
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Its an interesting idea!
Try this page:
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2000/2450.htm
for a list of US recognised active terrorist groups. However, the problem with terrorists is that they mostly come from the same area of the world with similar greivences. A few exceptions are ETA (Spain), REAL IRA (UK), FARC(Columbia) and Aum Shinrikyo (Japan). For other countries you may have to use examples from recent history such as Bhaader Meinhoff (sp?) in Germany and FLN (France/Algeria).
I hope this helps!

	25-01-2002 22:48									#5
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Thanks for the replies, and website directions. My encyclopedia is from 1997 (I think) which is why most of the leaders are outdated. India are in the game however, the Koreas are not. Perhaps North Korea would be worth an addition, at the sacrifice of Croatia...

As for the terrorists, I would prefer to keep it strictly up-to-date, but if worse comes to worse recent networks (last decade or so?) will be fine.

	10-02-2002 08:17									#6
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Colombia's current President is Andrés Pastrana.

Colombia the country has no 'u' in it, unlike Columbia in North American usage, e.g. Columbia River, District of Columbia, etc.

	10-02-2002 23:49									#7
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Don't ever go to Israel and mention that Arafat is their leader, you'll be lynched on the spot. He's the Palestinian leader.

	11-02-2002 01:55									#8
	Re: Modern Game of Civ... Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by CrazyOldBear Austria - Thomas Kletsil

The correct name of Austria's current president: Thomas Klestil.

	11-02-2002 08:04									#9
	Re: Modern Game of Civ... Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by CrazyOldBear Germany - Helmut Kohl Turkey - Necmettin Erbakan

These ones are outdated, Chancelor of Germany is Gerhard Schroeder and prime minister of Turkey is Buelent Ecevit.

Also I have realised you are using the heads of the governments(i.e. prime ministers) and not chiefs of state (i.e. presidents); wouldn't the chiefs of state more realistic?