25-01-2002 06:13									#1
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So many great ideas, it's truly Civ 3.1. I've got two games that I've played with great enjoyment, often on the edge of my seat, right up to modern times. Both are on hold, waiting on a new patch to fix a few bugs, such as I can't upgrade the units in my armies...unless someone here knows something I don't? (Well ok, that's a long list)

Anyhoo, I'm sure it's been answered a million times and I hope you will forgive me for not searching through every thread, (busy w/ game 3) but (1) is there a patch in the works and if so, (2) is there a date set, even tentative, that it might be released?

Somewhere, deep in the klonky bowels of my computer, there are 2 worlds full of workmen swinging picks, digging roads, and working the land and they are stuck in their ruts for want of a few minor details. They don't want to hear about upgraded units in armies, they just want to move on to the next job....

	25-01-2002 06:51									#2
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Patch? Yes.
When? Who knows?

	25-01-2002 07:17									#3
	Increase Your PM Length

Units in armies can't upgrade, and AFAIK that's a design decision, not a bug.

	25-01-2002 07:25									#4
	Increase Your PM Length

Most people agree that armies are useless. You might want to create a single one because of the two culture-producing small wonders, heroic epic and military academy. But hey, build a new city with a temple and library and you get the same bonus, though for those shooting for a cultural victory it'd be necessary to build those two wonders.

While I'm on it, colonies are mostly useless too :-)

	25-01-2002 07:52									#5
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Thanks FrantzX.
Ironikinit, a design decision eh? Hmm, aside from being unrealistic, that's no fun. I suppose they had their reasons though. Oh well...
MonsterMan, do "most people" consider that it is rare to lose a unit in an army or the army itself when attacking, particularly when the army can contain 4 units? I consider that a benifit of no small value. To me, the armies are like rocks amid the swirling battles. A place of refuge for wounded, defeated, troops in retreat, or capable of delivering the firepower need to clear the toughest position.

I just love talking like that.

	25-01-2002 07:54									#6
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The reason was to keep the player from making a kind of Super Army that would always be able to blitz across the map throughout the entire game. As it stands, you have to use your army relatively quickly or lose its effectiveness.

	25-01-2002 08:01									#7
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I'd rather the leader just up and died once in a while. Units then free to upgrade. Killed in battle, funeral in state, body barged down the Thames, that sort of thing. Once in a while an instant protege' to take his place, but separate from the troops who could upgrade before joining the army.

	25-01-2002 08:03									#8
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Here's a way go get more bang for your leader:

Open up CivEdit. Half the cost of armies, and increase the carring capacity by one. Give the Military Academy, Heroic Epic, and the Pentagon the ability to increase the size of armies in addition to their normal abilities. Make it so that you can have one army per city. Finally, give armies the ability to blitz. For some reason, I also have them as foot soldiers, but what that does, I have on clue.

Heh, you should of seen the look on my face when an army of 4 Immortals came straight for my head. Damn Soren and his unholy AI.

	25-01-2002 08:07									#9
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this game is da bomb

	25-01-2002 08:30									#10
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Either people are extremely easily satisfied these days, or Firaxis hires people to come here and act as shills pumping up this very flawed and disappointing game.

I think the latter.

	25-01-2002 09:59									#11
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quote: Either people are extremely easily satisfied these days, or Firaxis hires people to come here and act as shills pumping up this very flawed and disappointing game. I think the latter.

Well, in that spirit, why not say:

"Either people are extreamely hard to satisfy these days, or other gaming companies hire people to come here and act as spoilt brats ragging on this excellent and well executed game.

I think the later."



(I think the statement made either way is absurd. But if Firaxis wants to pay me to post, I've got no objection to doing a bit of astroturfing! )

	25-01-2002 10:08									#12
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Your check is in the mail. Is it OK if we pay you in Betty Crocker points this month?


Dan

	25-01-2002 10:17									#13
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in that case. I too love this game. Can I get a check too?

	25-01-2002 10:20									#14
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Only if you know the secret handshake.

Dan

	25-01-2002 10:22									#15
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Can I get Campbell's Soup labels in leiu of the Betty Crocker points?

	25-01-2002 10:47									#16
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But you said I'd get paid in cash! And make sure it's monopoly money, that stuff is like gold down here compared to the Aussie dollar.