26-01-2002 19:31									#1
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/bu...000/1779978.stm

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020124/1/2cpjm.html

Wow. Which one is more embarassing?

	26-01-2002 19:44									#2
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The first one of course. If they would allow the claim to pass, there would be hell broken loose when all the notes would have to be withdrawn and replaced with new ones with a different map. Fortunately not but it will cost the ECB a bundle.

But the latter one, I'll keep that in mind when next time in Thailand

	26-01-2002 19:44									#3
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Silly.

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How easy is it to get hold of Thai coins?

I vote for the second one as most embarrasing.

	26-01-2002 20:03									#4
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The most embarrasing thing here is that Yahoo actually posted that as 'news'. IIRC that was known as early as last November (and if I'm not mistaken many vending machines have already been adapted, at least here in the Netherlands)...

	26-01-2002 20:03									#5
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quote: He declined to say exactly how much compensation he hopes for. But he said that longer the affair dragged on, the higher the sum would be.

I see that capitalism hasn't completly died out in Europe.


AS for the second story. Well, we get those damned Canadian coins down here all the time.

	26-01-2002 20:25									#6
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I thought that this was about Sweden looking like a flaccid penis.

BTW, is Thailand the country having dong as their currency?

Of course, I dong have any wish that this would become another dong thread.

	26-01-2002 21:15									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu I thought that this was about Sweden looking like a flaccid penis. BTW, is Thailand the country having dong as their currency? Of course, I dong have any wish that this would become another dong thread.

dong get us started with the dong thing again. It is Vietnam that has the dong but it's like every other place. Some people have a lot of dong and some people only have a little dong. Those with a little dong have to find other sources of dong while those with a lot just throw their dong everywhere.

	26-01-2002 21:18									#8
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Vive La France!

	26-01-2002 21:57									#9
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The copyright claim is ridiculous, how can you copyright a map for ****'s sake?

	26-01-2002 21:59									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia The copyright claim is ridiculous, how can you copyright a map for ****'s sake?

By making it?

	26-01-2002 22:02									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia The copyright claim is ridiculous, how can you copyright a map for ****'s sake?

Quite easily. National Geographic does it all the time, IIRC.

	26-01-2002 22:03									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld By making it?

But how can anyone claim copyright rights to an image of europe? If that were true then anything with the shape of europe would be an infringement. I dont think its fair for anyone to claim the rights to that. Did they CREATE europe? I dont think so.

	26-01-2002 22:07									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia But how can anyone claim copyright rights to an image of europe?

They aren't claiming rights to the general image of europe, just a specific one, which they created.

	26-01-2002 22:08									#14
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How is it any different?

	26-01-2002 22:11									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia How is it any different?

I'm asuming that they took the sattelite map and stuck it straight onto the template... beats me how they could tell the difference, though.


But don't get me wrong, i think it's silly...

	26-01-2002 22:15									#16
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This is why you design the image yourself and not rely on acquiring images from outsiders.

	26-01-2002 22:22									#17
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The map (which cost $25 million to make, btw) consists of hundreds of spliced-together satelite images, all taken during perfect conditions. However, in the process several mistakes were made, small errors in colouring, etc. The mapmaker claims to be able to spot exactly the same small errors on the Euro notes.

	26-01-2002 23:33									#18
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quote: http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020124/1/2cpjm.html

Actually, this was known before the Euro even went in circulation. It was in the papers here back in november or so.

	26-01-2002 23:38									#19
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Not that it makes much difference it the grand scheme of things anyway. I mean, how many people are going to go through all that trouble of getting a load of Thai coins, just to save themselves a few cents at a vending machine?

Things like this happen. For instance, some venders here in Britain can be fooled quite badly. If you get two 1-pence coins and stick them together correctly, sometimes you can fool venders into thinking that you just put a £1 coin in. Few people do it regularly though.

	28-01-2002 15:51									#20
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One of our customers makes coin apparatus for slot machines. Everytime someone releases a new coin there are different coins that can fool it. It's not as bad as the old 5p being accepted as a 1 mark coin in all German slot machines.

	28-01-2002 16:03									#21
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For the Americans, Canadians, Brits and anyone else who hasn't seen the Euro yet: the map of Europe on the notes is only an outline - there is zero geographical content in the map except for the shoreline, which I think is pretty well know. So I don't see how they can claim it is their map!

The article talks about how the plains of Spain are slightly too big, but since it is just an outline on the notes I have no idea how this is used to compare. (There is some shading but it looks just like random shading - as if someone has shaded it in with a pencil.)

If they spend $3m making an outline they deserve to be laughed at.

	28-01-2002 18:50									#22
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Er, it's not just an outline. Look carefully and it's basically a two-colour, hi-contrast version of the satellite photo. It looks like it's filled in with random squiggles but apparently they are not.

	28-01-2002 18:59									#23
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The shading is not random. But it isn't the first such claim - some german bureaucrat claimed rights to the name "Euro"....

Also, the distribution of euro notes is a matter where the ECB should be under the European Court of Justice jurisdiction, not that of national courts. It's not entirely clear, but I'd think so on first glance....

	28-01-2002 19:20									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Snapcase Er, it's not just an outline. Look carefully and it's basically a two-colour, hi-contrast version of the satellite photo. It looks like it's filled in with random squiggles but apparently they are not.

It is hardly high contrast - you can just make out bits like the alps in a slightly darker shading. Also it has wavey lines all over it (which is how the shading is done) - are you implying that these are geographical features? And why would North Africa and Turkey be in different colours on a topographical map?

If you think that is high contast you need to buy yourself a new atlas!

Even if it were done from a satellite photo, how could you tell which satellite photo it was? ANY satellite photo would look the same (unless Europe's mountains move about ). For that matter, you could draw the mountains on by hand with as much accuracy as that map!

	28-01-2002 19:30									#25
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Are they going to let Euro's circulate freely? Im curouis..


Say a traveler from the Vatican deposits his Euro's while on a trip to the germany. Will the Vatican Euro's be rounded up and sent back to the Vatican. I think you should let them move around freely. After a few years, you will have an awesome variety of Euro's .

	28-01-2002 19:31									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus (and if I'm not mistaken many vending machines have already been adapted, at least here in the Netherlands)...

Remember the parking meters in Amsterdam?

The parking meters accepted 2 Eurocent coins (=4.4 Guilder cents) for 25 Guilder cent coins, hence: "Free" parking, w00h00!

	28-01-2002 19:40									#27
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Will the Vatican Euro's be rounded up and sent back to the Vatican. I think you should let them move around freely. After a few years, you will have an awesome variety of Euro's .

I'm not aware of any plan to "repatriate" euro coins (notes are identical anyway). The only thing I've heard about is related to general supply issues with the northern hordes moving southwards in summer....

	28-01-2002 19:48									#28
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I thought that each nation got a different note..of course they are all the same Euro currency. But the Vatican got pictures of the pope on there's. And (not sure about this) France got the eiffel tower. Each nation had somthing important on theres.


So thats what I thought

	28-01-2002 19:54									#29
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Notes are identical. Coins have one identical side across the eurozone, and one with national design. Vatican, Andorra, Monaca and San Marino also have the Euro as legal tender, though I'm not sure whether all also issue coins.

	28-01-2002 19:56									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni The parking meters accepted 2 Eurocent coins (=4.4 Guilder cents) for 25 Guilder cent coins, hence: "Free" parking, w00h00!

Damn, I think I missed that scandal Did that ever make the national news or was is more of a local thing? Cause if it was a local thing, I think I'm gonna put the meters here in Twente through a little test

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I think the idea is to let the Euros circulate more or less freely. Of course, even before the Euro came coins were taken out of circulation and replaced with new ones all the time. But I've already spotted the first Greek coins here in the Netherlands so I think having 8+ different 'nationalities' in your wallet (I currently have 3 myself: Dutch, German, French ) won't be very exceptional a few months/years from now