29-01-2002 04:13									#1
	Vendetta Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I just bought SMAC a couple of weeks ago and thus have a relativly basic question...how do I start a Vendetta without ruining my reputation???

It seems that I cannot pronounce a vendetta from a diplomatic standpoint and thus always end up starting one by attacking an opponent.

How do I renounce a treaty or truce so that I can attack without looking like the bad guy??? (I know how to get out of a pact - but that's all)

Thanks in advance for any help...

	29-01-2002 04:21									#2
	Got spare money?

The best way to shed a restrictive treaty is to goad the faction leader into declaring vendetta on you. If their mood is negative (e.g. – ambivalent to seething) call them up and demand that they withdraw their troops. Most of the time they will say no and declare vendetta. You can also try making totally unreasonable demands, such as large $$ of energy credits, a base, or technology. Beware though – they might just give in (like the time about MY 2110 and I demanded that Miriam give her second base to me – and she did!), especially if you are much more powerful than they are.

Try it out. It may be sneaky but these techniques usually work.

Hydro

	29-01-2002 04:35									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Also, I believe if they refuse to speak to you, you can right click on the faction name in the comm area and you will get an option to declare vendetta or break treaty.

	29-01-2002 04:38									#4
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Yxklyx Also, I believe if they refuse to speak to you, you can right click on the faction name in the comm area and you will get an option to declare vendetta or break treaty.

In the version I've got, at least, you only get the option to demand withdrawl. Of course this can work too, (esp. of they haven't got any troops in your territory), but it's not the same.

	29-01-2002 19:48									#5
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I only have the demand a withdraw option as well...but it seems to work like a charm in order to have the opposition start something!

In my twisted, hockey obsesed, Canadian mind the phrase 'demand withdrawal' = 'wanna go?'

I'll make a guess that the vendetta option is avaliable in SMAX???

	29-01-2002 19:53									#6
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

No, I think I was wrong - only Demand Withdrawal is in SMAX.

	30-01-2002 00:03									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

If you cannot get them declare vendetta on you, send a probe team to steal tech from them. This will piss them off 90% of the time and they will declare vendetta, even if you are way bigger them, even if there boiscan was blue..... but this WILL NOT affect you rating, keeping it noble.

	30-01-2002 07:24									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

if you have a treaty signed, move some millitary units into your enemy's base grids. Soon he is going to demand you withdraw your troops. Reject the demand and keep staying there. Eventually, he is going to declare vendetta, which will degrade his reputation. ha-ha.

Ask them to give you bases, energy or technolgies, or renounce the treaty.

	31-01-2002 10:48									#9
	Got spare money?

Hard to believe someone having problems at declaring Vendetta...Could someone please tell me how NOT to get into Vendetta

	31-01-2002 19:09									#10
	Remove this text

Um...get genetic surgery so as not to be a 100-metre long sandworm? You'd be less intimidating...

With some factions it's impossible to never be at Vendetta - Miriam and Yang are almost certain to declare war at some point, and it's the same with the aliens. Actually, especially true with the aliens. You can't be friends with both, and you end up friends with neither.

Ugh.

	31-01-2002 20:35									#11
	Increase Your PM Length

It was a rhetorical question, but thanks anyway

quote: Um...get genetic surgery so as not to be a 100-metre long sandworm? You'd be less intimidating...

Did you know that in the deep desert sandworms can actually grow over 400 metres long?

	31-01-2002 23:22									#12
	Increase Your PM Length

They have deserts in Finland???

I know they put out some pretty good hockey players but 400 meter sandworms???

	31-01-2002 23:33									#13
	Got spare money?

quote: They have deserts in Finland???

Deserts of ice, these days. Perhaps one should look for iceworms. Mindworms?

	01-02-2002 17:59									#14
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: I know they put out some pretty good hockey players

Some VERY good hockey players