30-01-2002 10:20									#31
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"Red Jon: as long as it was built on private property, using private funds, I'd have no problem with it. On the off chance that I did, there would be very little I could do about it."

-5 words: suitable application of high explosives

"Your circle aquaintences sounds a bit insecure in thier beliefs systems if a mere statue can inspire such insipid passive-aggressive desires."

-But think of the aesthetic aspect.

	30-01-2002 10:25									#32
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Large crosses are all over S. America. Having been to Peru, Chile, and Mexico they have them on hills overlooking suburban communitys and it is a gathering point for all people to discuss community things on the weekend. Most of the crosses are pretty old and only around 20-50 feet high. And are very old..

I can remember one, when I went outta my way to take the train up to Macchu Picchu (worst ride ever) It was around 100 ft tall and overlooking a small city a few miles from where the andes get big and humanity drifts off.

	30-01-2002 10:30									#33
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Yeah, but this would be in Ann Arbor. Would you erect a 200ft. Buddha in Jerusalem?

	30-01-2002 10:33									#34
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Say, how much buildings would this destroy or people would it kill if it fell over.

[Sends thread to OBM]

Goodbye statue.

	30-01-2002 10:38									#35
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Oh well, I guess Jesus died for everyone's sins, including those
of Mr. Tom Monaghan.

	30-01-2002 10:41									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis Yeah, but this would be in Ann Arbor. Would you erect a 200ft. Buddha in Jerusalem?

Ya that is a very good point.


But legally, theres really nothing you can do. Illegaly yea, but that will get you in trouble messing with someone like that.

	30-01-2002 10:43									#37
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You could have it torn down becuase it doesn't fit in with the council plans. Or don't you Americans have them?!

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Legally the people in charge of zoning can say no, other than that...

Well i guess you could set up a protest around that site which would block the inflow of materials to it, but then you'd basically have to man a picket line 24 hours a day.

	30-01-2002 10:48									#39
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Council plans?


No, we can do what we want on our private property. If this is my yard, I pretty can do what I want on my grass. Wether it be a Nazi Flag or Cross with Dung nailed to it(I dont own a house..but I use as an example). As long as we dont encroach on public or any one else's property, its fine.

Unless you mean Council rules. Of course, but theres nothing you cant build without a small fee.

	30-01-2002 15:19									#40
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Wouldn't a 250 feet high anything be considered encroaching on other's territory. Like making a manure treatment plant in Beverly hills would?

	30-01-2002 15:28									#41
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Your circle aquaintences sounds a bit insecure in thier beliefs systems if a mere statue can inspire such insipid passive-aggressive desires.

Perhaps you have a point if you apply the same standards to Christians who errect symbols of their religion.

	30-01-2002 15:57									#42
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There is nothing wrong with it. Anyone trying to block it would probably run afoul of the Freedom of Speech and Religion clauses in the constitution.

	30-01-2002 16:06									#43
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People seem to be more concerned about the hideousness of the cross. Has no one realised what a fundementally stupid idea this is from a cost point of view? Why would anyone want to create a gaint cross ffs? It's like creating an artificial rock.

	30-01-2002 16:25									#44
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You mean like the pyramids (artificial hills)?

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Well pyramids are gravetombs. Really, really big gravetombs, and I guess it wouldn't be possible today but they still have SOME use.

	30-01-2002 18:04									#46
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Your circle aquaintences sounds a bit insecure in thier beliefs systems if a mere statue can inspire such insipid passive-aggressive desires.

Oh come now, DinoDoc. I know you're smart enough to recognize jokes when you see them. (faded glory, well, that's another story.)

	30-01-2002 18:47									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I think that there are already giant crosses in Rio de Janerio and in Barcelona. I don't know their dimensions though.

I never noticed one in Barcelona, but I know that there's one in Lisbon!

What a waste of money and a "stain" on the landscape view...

	30-01-2002 20:25									#48
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A cross could be done quite tastefully and have architectural significance even at 20 stories, but I'm afraid that Texas cross is plain ugly. There is no inherent ugliness problem in a 20 story cross, though.

It reminds me of the 12 story basket office building that Longaberger built in Newark, Ohio (near my hometown). No accounting for taste...

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	30-01-2002 22:00									#49
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DanS: I never would have believe it if I hadn't seen the pic. That's F'n funny.

Guynemer: This could be a chance to make some money. All you need is some seed money and a partner who is black, assuming you're not.

When the cross goes up, property prices near it will plummet. You buy a house next door and get your black friend to move in the family. That'll piss off the white neighbors and faster than you can shake a bedsheet, the Klan will come in and torch the cross. When the cross is gone, property prices shoot back up and you sell the house for a quick profit.

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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai DanS: I never would have believe it if I hadn't seen the pic. That's F'n funny. Guynemer: This could be a chance to make some money. All you need is some seed money and a partner who is black, assuming you're not. When the cross goes up, property prices near it will plummet. You buy a house next door and get your black friend to move in the family. That'll piss off the white neighbors and faster than you can shake a bedsheet, the Klan will come in and torch the cross. When the cross is gone, property prices shoot back up and you sell the house for a quick profit.

The proposed site is not immediately near a residential area; he wants to build it at the future site of Ave Maria (what he hopes will be the future site, anyway), which at the moment is just some land surrounded by office buildings, stores, businesses, etc.

DanS, re: the basket--

	31-01-2002 00:43									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Victor Galis Yeah, but this would be in Ann Arbor. Would you erect a 200ft. Buddha in Jerusalem?

I don't get your point. Israel is predominantly Jewish, so erecting a Buddha would sorta cut across the grain of the community at large. In most parts of the USA Christians (Catholic and Protestant) constitute a clear majority. Is Ann Arbor a particularily non-Christian town? If not, a more appropriate analogy would be for someone to erect a 200 foot tall Star of David outside of Jerusalem.

	31-01-2002 01:44									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I don't get your point. Israel is predominantly Jewish, so erecting a Buddha would sorta cut across the grain of the community at large. In most parts of the USA Christians (Catholic and Protestant) constitute a clear majority. Is Ann Arbor a particularily non-Christian town? If not, a more appropriate analogy would be for someone to erect a 200 foot tall Star of David outside of Jerusalem.

"Predominantly Catholic" would rank around #9,758,487 of phrases used to describe Ann Arbor, right below "capital of Kerplakistan".

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Strangelove, your analogy would be correct if by "outside Jerusalem" you mean several miles to the East of it

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Well wouldn't that thing be a little 'top heavy' you know. Sheesh, if that thing fell on someone, you'd be in serious trouble.

	31-01-2002 06:09									#55
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This really isn't that different then the Sphinxes, or giant statues of Budda that were torn down in ? Afghanistan ? .

Granted a 250 ft crucific is kinda grotesque in my opinion.

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I don't get your point. Israel is predominantly Jewish, so erecting a Buddha would sorta cut across the grain of the community at large. In most parts of the USA Christians (Catholic and Protestant) constitute a clear majority. Is Ann Arbor a particularily non-Christian town? If not, a more appropriate analogy would be for someone to erect a 200 foot tall Star of David outside of Jerusalem.

Well, you're quite right, but Ann Arborians pride themselves on their liberal radicalism. It's not so much a poke in the eye of the local environment, but more of a unerving reminder to the local proto-liberals who ironically enough come from many of the $200,000 plus conservative households that cluster the south eastern Michigan country side.

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quote: Originally posted by WhiteElephants Well, you're quite right, but Ann Arborians pride themselves on their liberal radicalism.

Actually, we Ann ArborITES also pride ourselves on our pedantry.

And let me be clear. I don't think it should be illegal to build this thing. I just think it would be the most hideous monument ever erected by man, and I'd prefer not to live within one mile of an object with that distinction.

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Say Stefu, why is your avatar crushing victor galis?

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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer And let me be clear. I don't think it should be illegal to build this thing. I just think it would be the most hideous monument ever erected by man, and I'd prefer not to live within one mile of an object with that distinction.

Oh come on, admit that you're frazzled by it being an icon of Christianity more so than anything else. For instance, if it was a 250 foot bong there'd be dancing in the streets, no?

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quote: Originally posted by WhiteElephants Oh come on, admit that you're frazzled by it being an icon of Christianity more so than anything else. For instance, if it was a 250 foot bong there'd be dancing in the streets, no?

There probably would be dancing in the streets, but not from me. I'm frazzled by the possibility of a monstrously-huge depiction of a dead body nailed of an even more gangantuan cross. Would you want that in your backyard?

On a tangent, a 40-foot tall man nailed to a 250-foot tall cross... that's the equivalent of a 5'6" man on a 34'5" cross. How the hell was he supposed to drag that mother****er around town?