31-01-2002 08:54									#1
	Revelation Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

This is my last post for the night, and for a while, at least in this category.

I said it in another thread, but I will repeat it, because I would like to get other opinions on this comment that may not have read the other thread.

Here is what I said:

You know...I just had a revelation....the reason Civ will NEVER be perfect to everyone is the same reason that there will NEVER be peace on Earth...


Everyone has their own vision of what should happen in the world and of what is right and just or unjust...People fight over it every day.


Cut the designers of Civ some slack...After all, It must be impossible to create a game that simulates history in a way that will make EVERYONE say "yeah, that is the way it would have happened."

	31-01-2002 09:03									#2
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No offense because you're completely right

but this and other stories in the next issue of "Duh!".

	31-01-2002 09:15									#3
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nice

	31-01-2002 11:50									#4
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People can't even agree what actually happened in history - 10% of Americans believe man never landed on the moon!

	31-01-2002 11:51									#5
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which moon?

	31-01-2002 12:17									#6
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I've found a brother in common-sense!

Thank you for a much needed reality check vee.

	31-01-2002 12:36									#7
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Civ3 may never be a perfect game but it is still a great game..

	31-01-2002 15:43									#8
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quote: Originally posted by OneInTen People can't even agree what actually happened in history - 10% of Americans believe man never landed on the moon!

Have they ?

	31-01-2002 18:02									#9
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It was a conspiracy from the CIA and FBI to strengthen american confidence and impress the commies... too bad they had to kill Kennedy to cover things up. But at least, it took attention away from the secret tests they performed on aliens and their spacecrafts in area 51...

	01-02-2002 05:15									#10
	Want a perfect historical game? Increase Your PM Length

Then don't play Civ III.

Europa Universalis is the best darn historical simulation going and it's head and shoulders ahead of anything else ever produced for the computer. It is even very fun.

Of course, I'ld like to get back to my Civ III game now...

	01-02-2002 06:10									#11
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V,
I've been saying the same thing re your 'revelation' for months.
In the General forum and elsewhere so many people want changes effected and DO IT NOWs. They seem to just have no concept that different people think those changes shouldn't be done, but something ELSE is messed up.

Myself, being as methodical as I am, will happily spend 6 weeks or so on one game (huge maps, but not gigantic). : I don't have a big problem with stacks, or even naval combat or bombardment as it stands -- I can see the rationalizations behind the decisions (well, I WOULD prefer that a destroyer be able to take out both a frigate AND a galleon in one turn).

In fact, I would like a single attacking unit to have the opportunity to continue attacking units in the the same stack until there are no defenders left (or the attacker is killed). In this way 1 infantry could clean out a stack of 6 warriors in one turn, hypothetically, and my destroyer above could sink both the frigate and the galleon.

	01-02-2002 14:50									#12
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 Cut the designers of Civ some slack...After all, It must be impossible to create a game that simulates history in a way that will make EVERYONE say "yeah, that is the way it would have happened."

It is impossible for the game to "simulate history", but it does give a feel for the broad sweep of history, the technological advances of humankind and the idea of conflict over resources etc etc.

It does this job brilliantly and with a little imagination you can rationalise most happenings in the game and translate them into things that could have happened.

People will always moan about minutiae like the combat stats of various units for example, but these things are easily modified so there should not be a problem.

Given this - does it work as a game? I think the amount of time people on here spend playing it answers that question.