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VanHalen78
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Lake Villa, IL, USA
Oct 2000
time: 05:12
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Alright here is one thing that incredibly annoys me every single civilization the player is allowed to chose follows the European culture i find that to be pathetic because Native Americans aren't europeans, Japanese aren't Europeans, and the Aztecs aren't Europeans. So why do they all follow the european format? i noticed in Civilization CTP no matter what civ you are you follow european improvements such as the building of a palace or Roman or Greek architecture well what if you are Japanese? the Japanese never designed their palaces that way. to me thats so ridiculous. Also with tech. the Native Americans, when introduced to gunpowder, didn't go right ahead and create musketeers who look like "British red coats" from the revolutionary war they were just dressed in their normal attire but instead had a gun in their hands. there are many cases just like this basically for most internal improvements and military units. What i think should be done is that if for instance the Native americans were to be introduced to gunpowder or figure it out themselves, it should be like the "Warrior" unit in Civ CTP but only with a gun in his hand. Next comes the way a civilizations culture, which should be determined by their area in their world, climate, whether it be in the mountains, tropics, tundra, or artic regions, those should play key roles in determining culture. another thing is wonders of the world i just thought of, the sphinx since when was it built in a jungle? or an artic region? it was built in a desert based on the supplies and natural resources they had there and plus based on culture, all the monuments in egypt were for pharoahs and other significant people to be burried properly for the after life which also ties into religion which i will discuss in another post. Another example is the great gardens of babylon since when could it be possible to build it in a tundriatic or arid region? thats not possible a beautiful garden could not survive in either place. so could it be built in the middle of Siberia? absolutely not! thats all i have to say about that. Your replies are, as always, appreciated.
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Tical_2000
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I agree with VanHalen. Greek/Roman-style architecture in nations like Japan, China, India, Aztec, etc is totally ludicrous! They should modify the graphics for city improvements/units for the civs just like they did for the actual city graphics in Civ2.
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Stuff2
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The chinese invented the powder, the europeans saw the military possibilities. I'm pretty sure that the chinese didn't use gunpowder the same way europeans did. (until they found out that europeans did).
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Dom Pedro II
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The College of New Jersey
Nov 1999
time: 05:12
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To return to the original topic: i also think it's stupid when my beloved Aztecs move around with roman-style legions or british-style musketeers, but let's see: what alternative to global-style units do we have?
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wernazuma, you like the Aztecs? It does explain part of your name... I would have thought you would prefer a European power being from austria.
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a) "unique" units: they have been discussed quite often but it remains to be a balance-question and as VanHalen has mentioned it's not reasonable if i start e.g. with Cartagineans in an arctic region why i should have war-elephants while the vikings who started in tropical regions and inmidst a continent have longboats...
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If my suggestions about elephant and horse commodities are used, then elephants would never be in the arctic, so I think that takes care of that problem. Also, in the Americas, they will not have horses until the Europeans trade them to the American civs.
Also, there had been some talk in other threads about unique cities, and that should definitely be true for each individual civilization as well as their improvements. If AoE could do it, so can Civ3.
Now, I think there should be Civ specific units, but lets not go nuts. There is no need for civ-specific units beyond gun powder. All countries have adopted European militaries and uniforms. There is no country that still has soldiers with machine guns running around in native dress tribal or otherwise. Most civilizations try to adopt the customs of more advanced countries, so sooner or later, all people would have adopted European-style militaries if they had all survived that long.
The only problem is that numerous civs had no Catapults and those are extremely important weapons in the early game, so what would replace them?
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"...The highest realization of warfare is to attack the enemy's plans; next is to attack their alliances; next to attack their army; and the lowest is to attack their fortified cities." - Sun Tzu
Dom Pedro II.... aka Hannibal3
Dom Pedro II - 2nd and last Emperor of the Empire of Brazil (1831 - 1889).
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