01-02-2002 06:13									#1
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I know his state of the union address went over well in the U.S. because the country is gripped with war fever and a desire for revenge for September 11 but the international reaction was quite different. That speech scared a lot of people, especially the unilateralist tone which has disturbed allies and neutral countries alike. It has been widely judged a very counter productive speech.

I mean "if you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists?" Come on George, give us a break!

	01-02-2002 06:20									#2
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quote: I mean "if you aren't with us, you're with the terrorists?" Come on George, give us a break!

And your stupid enough to think that bush is joking?


I would serouisly think about that now. America doesnt threaten nations for the hell of it, we act on it. Give us a few months to collect our intellegence, and watch them fall like dominoes

	01-02-2002 06:26									#3
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I am not sure about his choice of nations but what he is saying rings all to true. Think hard and ask yourself is he that far off base? 9/11

	01-02-2002 06:30									#4
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I can remember after 9/11, everybody on this forum thought we would never attack afghanistan cause we lacked "Evidence" or somthing....and that we were really just bluffing to put pressure on the taliban.


Then when October 7th came. Everybody was suprised (and kind of angry cause they didnt see it coming )

	01-02-2002 06:37									#5
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The way I see it we have police patrol the streets in every country in the world... Why? to protect the honest innocent, what then is wrong with "patroling" the world for the same reason? Trust?

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Starting?

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	01-02-2002 06:48									#8
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Exactly, that was expeted of him from the beginning, and unfortunatley Osama gave him reason.

Not that the terrorist are good but with such appaling policies and attitude he will have 50 million Iraquis/ Iranians/ Muslims + others whom he will endanger while fighting with the 'terrorists' ready to kill thamselves just to get him off his back, something like the Israel Palestine situation, just this will not be so small scale. If Islam will ever have a reason to unite this is it, or a president like him. A totalitarian leader who thinks that everyone will be scared if they don't do as the big daddy says.

We can only hope that his government and the senate will be wiser not to go in that, WWIII could be just around the corner with this -we will kick your ass- you are evil nations stance.

Nobody liked Taliban, not even the Afghans. But it is trully different when you speak with the same tone against nations, he is becoming more like those muslim fundamentalist leaders every day. Except he is not muslim... maybe we will have another crusade.

	01-02-2002 06:55									#9
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If in fact these people are ploting to "kill" your friends and family (nations) I hope Bush and the free world with "nuts" stops it before they do you?

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I wouldn't say so, they maybe nuts -the fundamentalists there- and there maybe a bigger percentage of them than in US for example, with the government support - since they don't like US being so involved in the middle east. But that does not mean that most of these people are like us, just happen to be in the state with a bad dictatorship. What is he threatening for, we will bomb you to death?

This kind of attitude will just give reason to normal Iranians. Iraqis etc... to hate the US and the west in general and just make more recruits for death squads in organizations like Al Queada.

He in not protecting us with such wordly display of US power, he is threatening us by generating more misunderstanding between two groups. We will see what are his plans but I hope it is not an all out war against Islam (what an attack on both Iran and Iraq could generate) and their governments.

Instead of showing the west and US as 'normal' and prudent, he goes and displays 'we will correct you' attitude. If that is not asking for more trouble and more Americans/Europeans killed I don't know what is.

I believe that there are better alternatives to that. And definitly alternatives to a much better speach. But OK that could be expected of him from the beginning. Perhaps Osama was waiting for a person like him to become the president to do his mega murder to try to create a war between Islam and the west.

	01-02-2002 07:15									#11
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I agree that Bush is becoming a tyrant.
Who else would not listen to the demands of other nations.
He, of course, has no obligation to give the prisoners trial anywhere but in a closed military tribunal- but does that really give the right message? At least let people see the proceedings- for heavens sake! That way the charge that the charges are trumped up cannot be made- although , for prisoners captured in Afghanistan, that argument truly is null. They are guilty. For the ones in the US, let people see the proceedings.

Other tyrannical decrees- why does he not help other countries, usch as India. I repect the fact that it is a catch-22. However, I believe that he could be less hypocritical and give help when it is asked of him.

	01-02-2002 07:20									#12
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Why should we listen and do everything every petty nation demands?

	01-02-2002 07:22									#13
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quote: Originally posted by HisMajestyBOB Why should we listen and do everything every petty nation demands?

Says the king of "Bobland"

	01-02-2002 07:33									#14
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Doesn't a tyrant do thing against the people's wishes?

Terrorism and WOMD can't be allowed mix. I'm guessing that we're getting intelligence that makes us think these elements are starting to come together.

	01-02-2002 07:36									#15
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He is a tyrant to the world.
Possibly not the country.
but the world.
and that is what matters in the long run.

Problems loom on the horizon for america.

	01-02-2002 07:41									#16
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quote: He in not protecting us with such wordly display of US power, he is threatening us by generating more misunderstanding between two groups.

Humm I don't think so I believe he is saying rise up people take these stupid f*** out. Let's face it these gobs of s*** got into power buy terror and the control by all means over their own people. That is for the most part the reality of the situation...

	01-02-2002 08:00									#17
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Let's face it these gobs of s*** got into power buy terror and the control by all means over their own people.

That describes just about every goverment or political entity, really.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld That describes just about every goverment or political entity, really.

Thats a pile of Bullshit Osweld, and you damn well know it.



There is a big difference in them and us


In case you havent noticed, we elect our leaders and have constitutional rights. They on the other hand, take power themselves and neglect there citizens.



Im suprised im having to explain this to someone......

	01-02-2002 08:33									#20
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Grr - are you trying to win the troll of the year award or something?

I vote yes - the Bush is way out of line in naming countries as an "axis of evil" and not providing any evidence to support his claim.
This is especially disturbing as there have been strong signs in recent years that Iran is mellowing towards the west, and chinks have begun to appear in North Korea's facade.

I guess it's one way to draw attention away from Enron though

	01-02-2002 08:35									#21
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Heil Bush!

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Brings us back to controling the people case...

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quote: Originally posted by Case This is especially disturbing as there have been strong signs in recent years that Iran is mellowing towards the west,

Is that why they give active support to the Islamic Jihad, Hizbollah, arm the opposition to the US backed government in Afghanistan, and ship 50 tons of weapons to the PA?

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quote: Originally posted by faded glory In case you havent noticed, we elect our leaders and have constitutional rights. They on the other hand, take power themselves and neglect there citizens.

I wasn't specifically talking about the USA, but if that's what you want...

You conduct yourselves in different fashion, but both goverments rose to power through war, and both goverments control their citizens.

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quote: Originally posted by Osweld You conduct yourselves in different fashion, but both goverments rose to power through war, and both goverments control their citizens.

Well, there's nothing like a good conspiracy theory...

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Osweld your such a moron

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Why? What part did he miss?

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quote: Originally posted by Case Grr - are you trying to win the troll of the year award or something?

3R's 2!'s
Didn't you read my thread.

	01-02-2002 09:18									#29
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Why? What part did he miss?

dunno. Im sayin all kinds of wierd **** tonight. I should probably go to bed.....otherwise Im ging to drink myself to sleep

Then I will feel like total **** tommorrow

	01-02-2002 09:47									#30
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quote: Originally posted by blackice The way I see it we have police patrol the streets in every country in the world... Why? to protect the honest innocent, what then is wrong with "patroling" the world for the same reason? Trust?

This isn't about the cops patrolling the world. This is about the rich neighbour with lots of guns suddenly deciding he is going to decide who is a threat and who is not. And his definition of a threat is anyone who has different values than what he believes in.

Besides, if we follow this analogy, where are the checks and balances on the global cops? Yes, we need to protect ourselves from criminals, but we don't want to live in a police state.