01-02-2002 08:10									#1
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Especially in Africa. Now before you get all monkey on me, lemme explain:

1) It'd be far too expensive, especially considering that the cheapest remedy is already widely known and available to the world: the simple mindset that the people just have to stop screwing each other, plain and simple if they want to survive. Giving them a vaccine will only increase birth rates and therefore encourage the spread of the deadly disease among nutcakes who "think" they've recieved the treatment but really haven't due to a rather complicated mental condition, and of course reverse the doctrine even in healthy individuals that sex in that part of the world just has to go. Secondly;

2) it encourages sex for pleasure, which naturally causes all sorts of hell to break loose when abused, and finally and most importantly;

3) the amount of money we dish into AIDS research every year is taken directly away from much much more important things in the national budget. If it weren't for all this AIDS vaccine garbage, September 11th would never have happened, or at least might have easily been prevented by the CIA and FBI. Why? Because we'd have tighter airport security and background checks all over the place instead of test tubes in a couple of labs. So instead of rushing to something that would only result in more screwy sex and terrorist attacks, we should focus on more relevant issues that aren't caused directly by people's stupidity.

Really, why don't we just develop a vaccine for drunks who ram their cars into walls at 80mph for fun? Ridiculous that WE have to suffer in many different aspects of life for the few "sex crazed" among us.

	01-02-2002 08:12									#2
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Wiglaf is absolutely correct, as usually.

Not only is giving Africans AIDS vaccines unethical, but it costs us (the children of taxpayers) lots and lots of money.

We should instead level the continent, to stop human suffering.

	01-02-2002 08:13									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf 3) the amount of money we dish into AIDS research every year is taken directly away from much much more important things in the national budget. If it weren't for all this AIDS vaccine garbage, September 11th would never have happened, or at least might have easily been prevented by the CIA and FBI. Why? Because we'd have tighter airport security and background checks all over the place instead of test tubes in a couple of labs. So instead of rushing to something that would only result in more screwy sex and terrorist attacks, we should focus on more relevant issues that aren't caused directly by people's stupidity.

Seriously though, isn't airport security non-federal?

	01-02-2002 08:16									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf 3) the amount of money we dish into AIDS research every year is taken directly away from much much more important things in the national budget. If it weren't for all this AIDS vaccine garbage, September 11th would never have happened, or at least might have easily been prevented by the CIA and FBI. Why? Because we'd have tighter airport security and background checks all over the place instead of test tubes in a couple of labs. So instead of rushing to something that would only result in more screwy sex and terrorist attacks, we should focus on more relevant issues that aren't caused directly by people's stupidity.

That's quite a leap friend. You're going to blame September 11th on AIDS research? That's a pretty tough sell. Let's for a moment entertain the notion that the reason there wasn't tigher security was because no one was demanding it and that people were, and still are, in fact demanding a solution to the AIDS epedimic.

	01-02-2002 08:19									#5
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1) Not having sex is not remedy to this desease, it's only a precaution. Besides many people get HIV though other means.

2) "it encourages sex for pleasure" Is this something bad?? We are not animals, our purpose to have sex is not just to reproduce.

3) Most of the funding to AIDS research comes from pharmaceutical companies and non-profit organizations, not from the federal bufget. Besides, a year ago politicans were debating how to get rid of the budget surplus, most people were proposing tax cuts or welfare packages not "tighter airport security and background checks all over". If the money were not spend on AIDS research it would be spent on tax cuts or welfare.

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quote: Really, why don't we just develop a vaccine for drunks who ram their cars into walls at 80mph for fun? Ridiculous that WE have to suffer in many different aspects of life for the few "sex crazed" among us.

Seeing as you'll never have sex in your life, I can see why this isn't exactly a priority for you.

What would you say to the children born with AIDS?

	01-02-2002 08:19									#7
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quote: Seriously though, isn't airport security non-federal?

NOT ANYMORE IT ISN'T

quote: We should instead level the continent, to stop human suffering.

I didn't suggest that, I suggested THE INTRODUCTION OF A WIDELY KNOWN AND HEALTHY MINDSET, asher, not anything more or less. Verrry simple one step plan to success and prosperity.

quote: That's quite a leap friend. You're going to blame September 11th on AIDS research? That's a pretty tough sell. Let's for a moment entertain the notion that the reason there wasn't tigher security was because no one was demanding it and that people were, and still are, in fact demanding a solution to the AIDS epedimic.

People weren't demanding more airport security because, in case you didn't notice in the wake of the Gary Condit scandal, sex and AIDS was all we could talk about last summer.

	01-02-2002 08:22									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf NOT ANYMORE IT ISN'T

So how does this go with your theory that September 11th would have been prevented had they not been researching AIDS vaccines?
It wasn't federal at the time, and Bush was sending everyone money in the mail in rebates.

Hell, let's just flat out get to the point:
Bush is directly responsible for September 11th, by sending rebates instead of beefing security.

quote: I didn't suggest that, I suggested THE INTRODUCTION OF A WIDELY KNOWN AND HEALTHY MINDSET, asher, not anything more or less. Verrry simple one step plan to success and prosperity.

Perhaps we should just drop vials of smallpox on them, then? They're useless people! Maybe we could enslave them. There's an original idea.

quote: People weren't demanding more airport security because, in case you didn't notice in the wake of the Gary Condit scandal, sex and AIDS was all we could talk about last summer.

So what about the summer before?
Let's blame it on el nino.

	01-02-2002 08:23									#9
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An all out forum deathmatch between Wiglaf, Giancarlo, Bob Dornan, and Mr. Bodington.

	01-02-2002 08:23									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf People weren't demanding more airport security because, in case you didn't notice in the wake of the Gary Condit scandal, sex and AIDS was all we could talk about last summer.

The problem was people didn't want tigher security, no one was going to wait 2+ hours and the airport.

And who's controlling what we (you?) talk about anyway?

This is a silly troll.

	01-02-2002 08:28									#11
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quote: What would you say to the children born with AIDS?

A vaccine wouldn't help them very much, would it?

quote: So how does this go with your theory that September 11th would have been prevented had they not been researching AIDS vaccines? It wasn't federal at the time, and Bush was sending everyone money in the mail in rebates.

Uhh it would've been federal if we'd researched domestic security instead of AIDS enough to realize the guards were all half a sleep most of the time...

quote: Hell, let's just flat out get to the point: Bush is directly responsible for September 11th, by sending rebates instead of beefing security.

The rebates were a step in the right direction because they had nothing to do with sex like Gary Condit did. NOTHING TO DO WITH AIDS OR SEX = GOOD ANTI-TERRORISM POLICY.

quote: So what about the summer before? Let's blame it on el nino.

It only takes 3-5 months to put the government in charge of airport security. Actually much less, as the last few weeks have shown.

	01-02-2002 08:32									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf A vaccine wouldn't help them very much, would it?

It would certainly stand a chance to help them. It'd need to be modified to be performed in the womb though...

quote: Uhh it would've been federal if we'd researched domestic security instead of AIDS enough to realize the guards were all half a sleep most of the time...

Again, all signs point to your government, not AIDS research.

quote: The rebates were a step in the right direction because they had nothing to do with sex like Gary Condit did. NOTHING TO DO WITH AIDS OR SEX = GOOD ANTI-TERRORISM POLICY.

Let's face it, Wiglaf, George W. Bush is a Christian Terrorist. Him and his Allies of Evil are like Hitler and Stalin, crushing those who stand in their way. He intentionally blocked funding beefing up security because he enjoys watching **** like 9-11 on CNN while eating his pretzels.

quote: It only takes 3-5 months to put the government in charge of airport security. Actually much less, as the last few weeks have shown.

What does this have to do with my question?

	01-02-2002 08:32									#13
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you know, the most painless (for the rest of us) solution to having syrup around would be to hunt him down and kill him... just like his solution to deny africans a vaccine

	01-02-2002 08:33									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf A vaccine wouldn't help them very much, would it?

If the disease can be eradicated with a vaccine, it would surely help children who would otherwise be born with AIDS.

	01-02-2002 08:37									#15
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Uhh, yes it is highly ethical.
I am used to total logical failures and non-sequitors being written with better style than shown in your above post. Perhaps a creative writing course would be beneficial for you.

	01-02-2002 08:41									#16
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quote: It would certainly stand a chance to help them. It'd need to be modified to be performed in the womb though...

Yeah, it would, wouldn't it...

quote: Again, all signs point to your government, not AIDS research.

My government was powerless because the people, mostly leftists, dominated the airwaves with Gary Condit coverups and scandals to the point where all constructive action in the direction of saving 3,000 lives somewhere down the line was totally and utterly blocked. Gary Condit should be arrested, as should you, H Tower, Lefty, Osweld, and of course all AIDs researchers.

quote: Let's face it, Wiglaf, George W. Bush is a Christian Terrorist. Him and his Allies of Evil are like Hitler and Stalin, crushing those who stand in their way. He intentionally blocked funding beefing up security because he enjoys watching **** like 9-11 on CNN while eating his pretzels.

He never blocked beefing up funding, if that's the sort of trash you're implying.

quote: What does this have to do with my question?

The summer before is irrelevant, it only takes one summer to address September 11th.

	01-02-2002 08:49									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf He never blocked beefing up funding, if that's the sort of trash you're implying.

Before 9/11 he never asked for more funding for airport security either.

	01-02-2002 08:51									#18
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I wonder how long it'll be before the Linux community petitions Wiglaf to remove the Penguin from his avatar.

	01-02-2002 09:04									#19
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Bil, like I said, he was powerless more or less because of the locomotion the Condit (D) scandal caused. But he still did try to do some non AIDS-related things, like the tax cut for example.

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Yes, I can fondly recall last summer when my whole way of life was frozen in time by the Gary Condit scandal. The mail never came on time. Gas station attendents wandered aimlessly. Once I even woke up in another state in bed with a woman three times my age. It's a wonder we even survived.

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Bush rapes little boys, and because of his obsession with raping little boys he didn't have the time to push security reform in airports. He is directly responsible for 9-11, Wiglaf.

	01-02-2002 09:12									#22
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Have you ever heard that saying: "Better to not say a word and be thought an idiot than speak and remove all doubt" or some such. You pretty much skewered that little nugget of wisdom with this thread didn't you?

	01-02-2002 09:46									#23
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3/10, Wiggy. Nowhere even close to your lofty standards.

And, in conclusion, get bent.

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	01-02-2002 10:02									#24
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Hm.

Wiglaf is suggesting that developing a vaccine for a dreadful disease is unethical.

Whatever you say, sir.

	01-02-2002 10:16									#25
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Macuser (aka Wiglaf):

quote: 1) It'd be far too expensive, especially considering that the cheapest remedy is already widely known and available to the world: the simple mindset that the people just have to stop screwing each other, plain and simple if they want to survive. Giving them a vaccine will only increase birth rates and therefore encourage the spread of the deadly disease among nutcakes who "think" they've recieved the treatment but really haven't due to a rather complicated mental condition, and of course reverse the doctrine even in healthy individuals that sex in that part of the world just has to go. Secondly;

It would be far more expensive to carry out an extensive education, family planning and aids awareness program. Also, giving vaccines will alter birth rate, but then again, why should those people suffering from AIDS be the ones forced to suffer? Maybe we should stop polyomielitis vaccination and stop treating lepers as well... About this of spreading a disease by nutcakes... no comment.

quote: 2) it encourages sex for pleasure, which naturally causes all sorts of hell to break loose when abused, and finally and most importantly;

If God made sex pleasurable he intends us to enjoy it.

quote: 3) the amount of money we dish into AIDS research every year is taken directly away from much much more important things in the national budget. If it weren't for all this AIDS vaccine garbage, September 11th would never have happened, or at least might have easily been prevented by the CIA and FBI. Why? Because we'd have tighter airport security and background checks all over the place instead of test tubes in a couple of labs. So instead of rushing to something that would only result in more screwy sex and terrorist attacks, we should focus on more relevant issues that aren't caused directly by people's stupidity.

On this I'd think that defence spending is unethical. Also, 3,000 people died in September 11th, against possibly several hundreds thousands who have already died of AIDS. Perhaps you should redirect the research of chemical and bacteriological weapons to the CIA and FBI and continue with the AIDS reasearch.

quote: A vaccine wouldn't help them very much, would it?

A vaccine wouldn't save them? What is a vaccine for then! Wiglaf, have you been vaccinated for anything? Have you ever had measles, mumps, rubiola? Of course not, the racially pure are not subject to the diseases of these untermensch...

quote: Uhh it would've been federal if we'd researched domestic security instead of AIDS enough to realize the guards were all half a sleep most of the time...

I say they should research superconductors so that we can colonize Alpha Centauri!

quote: My government was powerless because the people, mostly leftists, dominated the airwaves with Gary Condit coverups and scandals to the point where all constructive action in the direction of saving 3,000 lives somewhere down the line was totally and utterly blocked. Gary Condit should be arrested, as should you, H Tower, Lefty, Osweld, and of course all AIDs researchers.

Of course! It's those talibans in the Senate who advocate for AIDS research! And Gary Condit must be in Al Qaeda for creating this diversion!

Asher:

[quote]It would certainly stand a chance to help them. It'd need to be modified to be performed in the womb though... [quote]

Not really necessary as the blood of the foetus and the mother are practically shared, correct?

	01-02-2002 10:20									#26
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quote: Originally posted by El Awrence Not really necessary as the blood of the foetus and the mother are practically shared, correct?

My understanding that AIDS is not always transmitted to the baby, but there was just a very high chance of it.

I may be wrong, though. I'm no AIDS expert.

	01-02-2002 10:37									#27
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Wiggy's trolls are getting more and more desperate and stupid.

	01-02-2002 10:47									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Asher My understanding that AIDS is not always transmitted to the baby, but there was just a very high chance of it. I may be wrong, though. I'm no AIDS expert.

Yeah, it's true, the most common form of mother-baby transmission of AIDS is through lactating from an infected mother. You're right, I'd forgotten.

Although, foetal surgery already exists, so I can imagine they can vaccinate feotuses.

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quote: You know what would be amazing? An all out forum deathmatch between Wiglaf, Giancarlo, Bob Dornan, and Mr. Bodington.

My prediction: the half-wit will win

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