01-02-2002 19:24									#1
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Kyoto just flipped to the japanese. Normal enough, but all the japs had left was one settler on a boat (which was nowhere near Kyoto, I might add).
I was stunned, laughed out loud and reloaded.

Robert

	01-02-2002 19:58									#2
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Maybe the settler had a crate of yogurt with him.

Get it, Yogurt... Culture?

It is NOT the worst joke ever!

	01-02-2002 20:25									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Azrikam Maybe the settler had a crate of yogurt with him. Get it, Yogurt... Culture? It is NOT the worst joke ever!

I't's not far off though.

Robert

	01-02-2002 20:33									#4
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I noticed this with the babylonians in one game. I wiped them off the landmass and their power rating dropped to zero but their culture stayed sky high until someone sank their boat people. With strong culture a flip must remain possible even without proximity to a working capital.

	02-02-2002 02:00									#5
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Each city has a "cultural memory"

Kyoto, being the capitol, had probably built up a LOT of culture before you took it. If their cultural memory (let's say they had 1000pts of culture when you took it) outways yours (which would take some time to ramp up to 1000) and the citizens are japanese, then it is very likely (not just possible) for the city to flip. Once they are destroyed, however, the cultural memories of former japanese cities drop to zero. That explains the culture graph mentioned by Grumbold.

-Arrian

	02-02-2002 02:18									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold I noticed this with the babylonians in one game. I wiped them off the landmass and their power rating dropped to zero but their culture stayed sky high until someone sank their boat people. With strong culture a flip must remain possible even without proximity to a working capital.

I wonder why anyone could sink the boat people. I had the scenario without city flipping: I wiped the Russians out, having one last Russian galley left 2 tiles from my coast, probably with Cathy and a settler. If I sunk it, I had a crashed game. But I was warned (just checked if it's true) and had saved my game before. Catherine even didn't want to acknowledge my envoy for a while. Made peace with her a lot of turns later. They stayed there and did not move for the whole game (there was no land left to settle). After a while, the Americans wiped the Iroquois off by razing a lot of cities. I gave Cathy my World map for free (she didn't have money anyway), showing her, that there IS now space to settle. Nevertheless she did not move (although she could get there even with a galley), and voted against me in the UN poll. Had to launch the Space Ship...

	04-02-2002 02:50									#7
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I believe the crash was only if you, the player, killed the last unit. The patch fixed it?

	04-02-2002 03:10									#8
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quote: Originally posted by kailhun Kyoto just flipped to the japanese. Normal enough, but all the japs had left was one settler on a boat (which was nowhere near Kyoto, I might add). I was stunned, laughed out loud and reloaded. Robert

Well, sometimes this can really happen in real world. Didn't 'Isreal' flipped back the Hebrew people thousands of years after they got wiped off from the map. So, the the Jewish people gotta have sky high culture back then.

	04-02-2002 03:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold I believe the crash was only if you, the player, killed the last unit. The patch fixed it?

I can say that I just had it happen in a game post patch. Only thing Babs has left is a spearman and settler left in a galley. I kill the galley, the game crashes.

	04-02-2002 04:14									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Bill9999 I can say that I just had it happen in a game post patch. Only thing Babs has left is a spearman and settler left in a galley. I kill the galley, the game crashes.

to solve this, just give them one of your cities, kill the galley, and take the city back.

	04-02-2002 05:28									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Dida to solve this, just give them one of your cities, kill the galley, and take the city back.

That's a really sweet hint, thanks Why couldn't I think of it?

	04-02-2002 08:00									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph That's a really sweet hint, thanks Why couldn't I think of it?

yo, I don't know if this is going to happen though. What if they got only 1 settler left on the galley, and still refuse to seek peace with you? You cannot offer him the city if he refuses to see your envoy. That is really going to suck, isn't it?

	04-02-2002 13:53									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Dida yo, I don't know if this is going to happen though. What if they got only 1 settler left on the galley, and still refuse to seek peace with you? You cannot offer him the city if he refuses to see your envoy. That is really going to suck, isn't it?

And there you have my current problem.
The japs won't talk and the war is getting my people down (democracy).
This game is starting to piss me off. Fortunately I've downloaded lots of .adf files to use with winUAE.

Robert

	04-02-2002 19:55									#14
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Dida, kailhun:

That was exactly what happened to me, read my first post in this thread. I had to wait long to make peace. I'm lucky that it happened, while I still was in despotism, otherwise (in Republic or Democracy) my game would have been nearly screwed.