03-02-2002 02:43									#1
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Do y'all think I should join a fraternity? I have a lot of friends who are in them, and they say it's fun and I should join....I've been to frat parties and stuff, but I dunno.

What do y'all think and why?

	03-02-2002 02:46									#2
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I think you should, then you can tell us about the initiation.

	03-02-2002 02:49									#3
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"Thank you sir, may I have another"

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It's kind of silly to ask an internet forum if you should or not-- it depends on the type of person you are.

From what I have heard, Fraternites do have very rough initiations, some of which have killed pledges. Some frats generally treat their pledges like dirt freshman year. They are often required to do many things- such as community service, sometime mandatory study hours- you will lose much of the independence college is supposed to be about. Still, it provides great partying oppurtunites, the oppurtunity to socialize, and it makes it easier to get sorority chicks.

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BD, yeah those are some of my problems.

I wouldn't really consider it, except that as I said I have some friends in it, who have told me they don't do hazing and that they all loved it when the pledged, had some good times.

So I dunno.

	03-02-2002 03:16									#6
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Well, no one fraternity is the same. I suggest looking up on fraternity hazing on the internet- you can see that it is alive and well in some frats. I reccomend doing a good deal of research into whatever specific frat you want to pledge at, seeing how they treat pledges and how they haze, as well as any stuff they force members to do. Then you can make your decision.

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Sounds like a plan

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they've revoked two fraternity charters here at university of illinois in the last three years, both because of hazing. thing about a frat is, you don't get to choose your friends anymore, you are automatically friends with the people in your frat, and if you don't get along..

i saw two innitiations this year, both times in my large lecture for enviromental biology. One guy had to strip to his boxers to music and then flex his muscles while the prof yelled at him. the other one i saw was in the same class, the guy walked in and yelled if anyone ordered a pizza, he brought in a pizza and gave a slice to whoever raised their hands. all the while, he was videotaped by one of his frat brothers and the proffesor was yelling.

so my question to you is: can you keep your cool standing in your boxers in front of more than 600 people?

	03-02-2002 04:10									#9
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Live by my example. Refuse to join any fraternity so undescriminating as to offer one such as you a place.

	03-02-2002 04:18									#10
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Sydney Prescot in Scream 2 put it best - "You know how I feel about organised religion"

I wouldn't join one, but then we don't have em over here (At least I don't think we do )

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David,

I'm a Beta at Baylor, and I wouldn't trade it for the world. Hazing isn't what it used to be (it's really be cracked down on) and it isn't anything to worry about. Granted, pledging will at times suck, but I promise you'll look back on it with fond memories. And plus, the increase in the amount of a$$ you get after you pledge is exponential

	03-02-2002 04:24									#12
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LOL yeah that's always a good thing Kaak

Hey, you go to Baylor? You oughta meet up with dm some time....or hell I drive through there all the time maybe we can grab some lunch sometime or something.

	03-02-2002 04:41									#13
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any time man! you can get my icq number from my profile. I'm almost always here, and i venture down to austin fairly often, so give me a shout!

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Yeah, if you come down to Austin that'd be cool too, I'm sure we can find something to do

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I despise the jock-centred social system that seems to operate in the US education system, and, rightly or otherwise, I'm going to lump the frats in with that. Horrid, preppy, egotistic, and just downright rotten. Sure, you get to **** the sorority chicks, and go to a few parties. Big deal. It's all fake; fake friendships, fake community, fake relationships.

I'm so glad that **** doesn't happen here.

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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* I despise the jock-centred social system that seems to operate in the US education system, and, rightly or otherwise, I'm going to lump the frats in with that. Horrid, preppy, egotistic, and just downright rotten. Sure, you get to **** the sorority chicks, and go to a few parties. Big deal. It's all fake; fake friendships, fake community, fake relationships. I'm so glad that **** doesn't happen here.

You shouldn't believe everything you see in the movies, Iain. Jock-centered social system? I don't know what you're talking about.

Floyd, sure, go for it, if you can afford it. I'm pledging a frat here as well, and it's going just fine. The hazing is just not there, although I'm one of two pledges, so they have to be pretty nice to me. The worst I've had to do was mop their floor.

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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui "Thank you sir, may I have another"

best college film EVER!!

	03-02-2002 08:09									#18
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There are frats only for engineers, the frat that only accepts GPAs over 3.0... the Triangle frat... just depends

Well, Floyd, you gotta ask yourself, if you can already go to the parties, and hang with the frat guys, why do you want to do any of the hard stuff?

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he may just like the spanking!

	03-02-2002 08:20									#20
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hey does anybody here know how you get out of a fraternity once you're in one? It just occurred to me that I don't know.

Btw, David, I think usually pledge dues are nearly 100% refundable. Like, you have to give them $50 that is not, for the pen and a few other materials, but that's it. Also, make sure the frat guys like you and you like the frat guys, or no matter what you do they won't like you when you've joined them, pretty much. I mean, my roommate's an *******, especially when he's drunk, and the his frat brothers don't take **** from him and seem to treat him like **** now. They seem to like me, and I definitely think they're cool, so I think I'll be alright, though.

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Yes, it help you get more girlies


(well...in the movies it does)

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Fraternities are for suckas.

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quote: Originally posted by Eroberer hey does anybody here know how you get out of a fraternity once you're in one?

Easy. You stop paying your dues, you stop living at the fraternity, you stop associating with the fraternity, and you let the relevant person at your university know (probably the housing coordinator or dean or something) that you are no longer in the fraternity (so if your former frat brothers kill a pledge or something you won't be held responsible). Whether the fraternity thinks that you're still a member or not is irrelevant.

	03-02-2002 09:23									#24
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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* I despise the jock-centred social system that seems to operate in the US education system, and, rightly or otherwise, I'm going to lump the frats in with that. Horrid, preppy, egotistic, and just downright rotten. Sure, you get to **** the sorority chicks, and go to a few parties. Big deal. It's all fake; fake friendships, fake community, fake relationships. I'm so glad that **** doesn't happen here.

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Who gives a **** about the Social class Bullshit or class struggle crap.

You get shitloads more women And you party. I never went to college, but damn, I wish I had

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quote: hey does anybody here know how you get out of a fraternity once you're in one?

You de-pin. Simple as that.

quote: I despise the jock-centred social system that seems to operate in the US education system, and, rightly or otherwise, I'm going to lump the frats in with that. Horrid, preppy, egotistic, and just downright rotten. Sure, you get to **** the sorority chicks, and go to a few parties. Big deal. It's all fake; fake friendships, fake community, fake relationships.

I guess ignorance really is bliss That shows that you obviously don't know much about.

quote: Well, Floyd, you gotta ask yourself, if you can already go to the parties, and hang with the frat guys, why do you want to do any of the hard stuff?

Because you just don't get the same bond you do when you pledge (AND the really cool $hit is for member's only!!)

	03-02-2002 10:51									#28
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oh, and P.S.- you should see some of the girls that are dancing in my living room right now

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ok..listenn......

DON'T LISTEN TO THEM!! DON'T RENT YOUR FRIENDS!!!!!!

	03-02-2002 13:12									#30
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dm- you don't pay for the friends, you pay for the trips, functions and other bad a$$ stuff that makes me love our beautiful school!!!