04-02-2002 02:11									#31
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sure, mr Pretzel thought about all of that. while analyzing a proposition of Wittgenstein with the other half of his brain.

Shrub DOESNT WRITE HIS OWN SPEECHES

	04-02-2002 02:46									#32
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quote: Originally posted by WFHermans Israel is such a country. according to Torah they have to exterminate every non-jew in Israel.

I'd like you to find me a quote.

I'd also like you to find me proof Israel acts according to Torah law.

quote: So let's nuke BOTH Washington and Jerusalem and take out two terrorist nations that have weapons of mass destuction and have already used them.

When has Israel used it's supposed stash of nukes?

	04-02-2002 02:48									#33
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quote: Originally posted by WFHermans sure, mr Pretzel thought about all of that. while analyzing a proposition of Wittgenstein with the other half of his brain. Shrub DOESNT WRITE HIS OWN SPEECHES

DL or just a really bad troll, what is everyone's guess?

	04-02-2002 04:04									#34
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quote: Originally posted by lightblue DL or just a really bad troll, what is everyone's guess?

I think he's just a being a Drake Tungsten.

	04-02-2002 17:40									#35
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After having thought about this for a while, I have to reverse my position:

Iraq has proven itself untrustworthy and has placed itself outside the protection of international law. Destroying the Iraqi regime is the best option from a bad set of choices.

It is pretty hard to justify attacking N Korea. After 50 years of cease fire, we don't appear to have any extant causes for war. But the simple fact of the matter is that N Korea is a goofy Communist monarchy that grinds down its people to support its delusions of nuclear grandeur. Nobody likes them. Nobody wants them around. You are the weakest link. Good bye.

Iran is certainly a current state sponser of terrorism. If the US finds it necessary to threaten to attack Iran or to actually do so, then this is justification enough in the current circumstances. If Iran doesn't want this to happen, then they can agree to stop sponsoring terrorism. It isn't as if they have an Allah given right to ship arms to Hezbollah, after all.

We are obligated to uphold the UN Charter. But nothing in the treaty specifies that we have to act like complete chumps.

	04-02-2002 19:28									#36
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DON'T GO THERE
BUSH ASKS DASCHLE TO LIMIT
INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED ON 9-11.

REALLY?
WHAT A SURPRISE.
YOU'D THINK THEY HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE

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Date: Wednesday, January 30 @ 10:09:24 EST

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11, congressional and White House sources told CNN.

The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation. He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said.

Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice President **** Cheney last Friday to make the same request. "The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters.


THIS IS PROOF FROM CNN THAT THE US GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS TERRORISM AGAINST ITS OWN CITIZENS.

	04-02-2002 19:33									#37
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Apolyton is censuring the first name of Dickie Cheyney?

	04-02-2002 19:37									#38
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quote: Originally posted by WFHermans What about a country whose leaders promise to commit genocide when they get nuclear weapons? Israel is such a country. according to Torah they have to exterminate every non-jew in Israel. So let's nuke BOTH Washington and Jerusalem and take out two terrorist nations that have weapons of mass destuction and have already used them.

It's ironic that someone with that name would write such complete bullshit. Natan already debunked this post...

But if you really think that Bush & co are responsible for the 11-9 attacks, you must be from somewhere even worse than newsmax. You need therapy for paranoia, my friend.

Didn't Hermans himself write a book called paranoia, BTW?

	04-02-2002 19:58									#39
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Something is terrorism only if it tries to create terror. Attempting to cover your a** is not terrorism.

I think a full investigation of 9/11 would probably be wise . But regardless of failures in intelligence, the clear cause of 9/11 is deliberate action by Arab terrorists. There is no point blaming anyone else. So Bush has a point.

	04-02-2002 20:43									#40
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No need to examine 911 because its crystal clear who did it, ARAB terrorists. Wait, lets get rid of all those courts and judges too. They are completely unnecessary because once the controlled media have decided who committed a crime why should we spend a dime on further investigations.
And the media is good at it! 5 minutes after impact they already knew it was Bin Laden and his fellow evil axis of Arabs. Next day they had a list with photos of the actual terrorists.

Read all about it on www.whatreallyhappened.com and you better note that link before some one whines about it to a mod and it disappears.

	04-02-2002 21:39									#41
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Congratulations. You are now officially the forum idiot.

	04-02-2002 22:03									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Bas Congratulations. You are now officially the forum idiot.

A forum idiot, yes. But there's strong competition for the title of The Forum Idiot, though

	04-02-2002 22:50									#43
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But there's strong competition for the title of The Forum Idiot, with Osweld and Bas running for the first place

	04-02-2002 23:32									#44
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	04-02-2002 23:38									#45
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I'm afraid that we can't allow Iran to pursue nuclear weapons. In this instance, I would have my government strike as hard as possible and as quickly as possible to minimize the damage on all sides.

How can you allow Iran, who is all chummy with al Qaeda, pursue these weapons? Al Qaeda has shown what it will do, given dangerous enough weapons and we can't rest on the happy, but unrealistic assumption that they wouldn't use nukes, if given the chance.

This link was solidified in the US's mind by a personal envoy of the Iranian grand religious poobah giving explicit sanctuary to al Qaeda's leaders. The rest of this line of thinking is detailed here...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1-2002Feb3.html

I know this freaks some people out, but these weapons are just too dangerous to ignore. One nuke in NYC would set the US back a century. The Russians are uniquely situated to realize that we mean business, and understand that it all hinges on a perceived magnitude of threat that 9/11 brought about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...9-2002Feb4.html

This is a highly volatile situation, because it is unbalanced. It is very difficult to know whether the perceived threat has any way of becoming an actual threat. If we have to break a lot of China in the process, then it's unfortunate, because it could have been avoided by these countries by making it crystal clear that they either aren't seeking nukes or that they aren't supporting terrorist organizations.

The Iranians should have known better. If you pursue this stuff, then it's a whole other ballgame. Haven't they thought through the implications?

	05-02-2002 00:14									#46
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quote: If we have to break a lot of China in the process...

China or china?

	05-02-2002 00:34									#47
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China's been keeping its head low recently. So I guess I meant china.

	05-02-2002 00:38									#48
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WFHermans , you honestly have no idea what the hell you're talking about, do you?

Right down to the first post in this thread. "America is the only country to use weapons of Mass destruction."

You know, except for Germany. And France. Iraq. Britain. The Aum Shrynko.

But that's okay, because it's all a Zionist conspiracy dating back to pre-WW1.

Go peddle your Tinfoil hat sites elsewhere.

	05-02-2002 01:02									#49
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Who else thinks we should rename him "WTF?Hermans"?

He's fairly amusing, though I doubt he has as much staying power as Giannie or even Wiggy.

	05-02-2002 01:13									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar You know, except for Germany. And France. Iraq. Britain. The Aum Shrynko.

What do you mean ? This countre had used mass-destruction weapons on civilians ?

	05-02-2002 04:09									#51
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I think he must be referring to poison gas, which was used, of course, by the major combatants in WW1. Only Germany deserves the blame for WW1 gas attacks though. You can't blame people for retaliating in kind (up to a certain point).

Germany and Britain both attacked each other's cities by air in WW1, though again Germany bears almost all the blame, as well as the blame for attacking French, Belgian and Russian cities.

In WW2, Japan, Germany, Britain and the US could legitimately be said to have used weapons of mass destruction. The Axis powers did use them first, but Britain and the US can not be considered blame free.

So saying the US is the only country to use weapons of mass destruction is completely unfair. Other nations certainly tried to destroy massive amounts of enemy civilians. They just were not very good at it. But they certainly have as much or more guilt than the US. In the case of the Germans a whole lot more.

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	05-02-2002 04:23									#52
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"Yes your Honor, I killed that child, but it was self defence because I am sure it was planning to kill me."

Japan and especially Hiroshima's 100,000 women and children were planning to use weapons of mass destruction against the USA, so the USA had to defend itself with a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Ok, you convinced us.

But .... isn't Bin Laden allowed to argue that those evil pencil pushers in the WTC were planning to attack him first? After all as Dubya showed a pretzel can be used as a lethal weapon. So a bagel must count as a weapon of mass destruction.

You clearly are suffering from an overdose of Hystery Channel watching,

	05-02-2002 04:57									#53
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quote: Originally posted by WFHermans You clearly are suffering from an overdose of Hystery Channel watching,

And you have been taking too much acid, so we're all screwed. Good trolling though, it has slightly more substance than Wiggy, is not as irrational as Giancarlo and is not as screwed up as EvC's.

	05-02-2002 05:00									#54
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Maybe instead of bombing these poor middle-eastern countries with hardly anything to lose but human life, we should resort to fundamentally changing our foreign policy for the better, and eliminate the reasons behind their hostility towards us in the first place. Just a thought.

	05-02-2002 05:32									#55
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Don't you realise how much money those poor defense contractors will lose? And how exactly do you think Bush will ever get re-elected without some nice war going on???

Are you a COMMUNIST ???????

	05-02-2002 09:30									#56
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quote: But .... isn't Bin Laden allowed to argue that those evil pencil pushers in the WTC were planning to attack him first?

Okay, I accept your argument. Bin Laden does get to kill people in the World Trade Center.

But now I just throw it right back at you again. Since bin Laden gets to kill whomever he wants to, it is only fair that we also get to kill whomever we want to. Since Arab terrorists have actually attacked the US, we can kill any Arabs we want to with whatever weapons we want. We can now attack Arab cities with nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons. Right?

But we haven't attacked Arabs with nuclear weapons, have we? No. If we are such moral monsters, then what is restraining us from actually using our incredible superiority to take over the entire Middle East and turning it into decadent slavish colonies? Nothing, it would seem. And yet we have not.

	05-02-2002 09:41									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Djugashvili Maybe instead of bombing these poor middle-eastern countries with hardly anything to lose but human life, we should resort to fundamentally changing our foreign policy for the better, and eliminate the reasons behind their hostility towards us in the first place. Just a thought.

Being nice will not make already pissed-off people friendly. We need to show them that terrorism is useless to achieve respect and prosperity and that they would be much more successful if they play by our rules.

Actually, some intellectuals in the Islamic movements are already thinking of alternatives to terrorism. A former cell mate of El Zawahiri(2nd in command of Al-Qaeda) has published book and categorically rejected the method of terrorism.

	05-02-2002 15:29									#58
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quote: Originally posted by DanS How can you allow Iran, who is all chummy with al Qaeda, pursue these weapons?

There you go again! Where do you get this stuff? Iran has been supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban for a lot longer than the US has....

	05-02-2002 16:40									#59
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Thx for pointing out the difference between Iran and Qaida. The Qaida network (actually a loose group of mostly volunteers is actually chummy with Pakistan, a terrorist nations that is armed with nuclear weapons. But it's also a US ally.

FACT: As even CNN admitted, Bush has stopped an inquiry into 911.
FACT: The highjackers were paid by Pakistan.
FACT: Pakistan is a US ally.

THEREFORE.....

Close your eyes to these facts, mr Singh and the ret of the yahoos, go back to your ballgames and your TV set.
And wait for the next strike against innocent Americans.

	05-02-2002 18:53									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh There you go again! Where do you get this stuff? Iran has been supporting the Northern Alliance against the Taliban for a lot longer than the US has....

Sorry. What he meant to say was, "How can you allow Iran, who is all chummy with Hizbollah, the Islamic Jihad, the warlords trying to overthrow the current Afghan government, etc., pursue these weapons?