04-02-2002 19:14									#1
	Dip 50, Imp3 - REPLACEMENT FRANCE NEEDED Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

With Du Chateau's self-enforced absence, we need a replacement France for Dip 50. Anyone willing to take up the position? Since it hasn't been posted on the Winter 1868 thread, yet, I will send a copy of the current map.

Thanks in advance...

	04-02-2002 20:44									#2
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I think I know why I left the game......

	05-02-2002 02:28									#3
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Good for you, Sahib...go troll somewhere else...

	05-02-2002 12:36									#4
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Ooops, someone angry with me? ohhh.... well. *trolls away laughing*

	05-02-2002 19:11									#5
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No, I'm not angry. You were simply being impolite. You chose to leave the game...leave it at that.

	05-02-2002 19:27									#6
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Sorry, MDR, if you felt I was rude. I didnīt mean to. I was not critizising you if this is how you understood my post. Itīs just that I had proposed to end the game because I though it would go on like that: NMRs galore, people giving up, leaving, getting bored. Itīs not your fault. I had asked to draw the game before it deteriorates even further. I got no support, fine. But it seems to me that I was not so wrong after all. Couldnīt help posting therefore, the other day. *finally trolls away for good and stops bothering the others*

	05-02-2002 20:31									#7
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I'm afraid that I don't understand this. The title of the thread is "Dip 50, Imp3 - REPLACEMENT FRANCE NEEDED." We needed a replacement France because the original player abandoned the position because he was losing. His replacement was a player with a long history of NMRs, overcommiting to Dip responsibilities here, and going awol or offline for months at time. The blame for this is not MDR's, although I would like to point out that the player ratings might help evaluate potential replacement's reliability.

I for one refuse to accept a draw here because someone resigned from a game that wasn't going their way. I'm not going to encourage or reward that behavior. I'm not happy with NMRs and long delays either. But they delays were largely due to holidays, and all games here at Apolyton slowed down during this time.

The real problem was Victor and Scott abandoniong doomed positions and the game because their France-Holland power play failed, and they were both too lazy to do the diplomacy to better their position. This behavior is disappointing, but in all fairness NOT indicative of either player's past history. It did however stall the game's momentum. And the fault for this is not with MDR, or me for refusing Victor's demands that the CSA stab Mexico (or vice versa), or anyone else but the players who left. Of course it didn't help losing out Turkish player either.

Now, the point of the thread was to find a replacement player for France, which those of us who want to continue the game need. If you aren't here to discuss that, please take your gripe elsewhere. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but I think people forget just how much work it takes to GM and make maps on a map like this. Let's give MDR a little credit and flexibility in dealing with the game's unfortunate personnel events. Thanks.

	05-02-2002 20:38									#8
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DITO

	05-02-2002 20:51									#9
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Hey, I offered to replace France

:snicker:

	05-02-2002 23:23									#10
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MDR,

Ask Mensius. He's been Dispossessed from two positions in two games and might be feeling a bit froggy.

	05-02-2002 23:35									#11
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Hey Sahib, apology accepted. You're right, of course, I simply read the post wrong. It must be all those years playing Diplomacy against Jesuit priests that has me seeing the worst in anything said...

Thanks Ruff...you well understand the problems of this map and its effects on players and GMs alike. I took Du in because it was only fair.

HDS has also got a point. I'll go dig up Mensius' email and ask if he wants in...

	06-02-2002 00:41									#12
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My DITO got no acknowledgement.

	06-02-2002 00:55									#13
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Well, DITO to you, too, Defiant...

	06-02-2002 00:57									#14
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That's because it's *DITTO* you big spammer! No one know what dito means.

	06-02-2002 01:10									#15
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ok, I'm interested. I'll want to check the frog position, but I think that I would like france

	06-02-2002 01:18									#16
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Cool, Mensius...send me an email 'cause everything I send to your hotmail account bounces...I'll toss you a copy of the map on the reply.

	06-02-2002 01:45									#17
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I am not a spammer, I am just trying to lighten up this site, we seemed to lose the humor around here lately. English was never my strong point, number cruncher, you know, calculating all those wins And besides, I'm Polish, Dito, ditto, dittoski, it's all the same.
Welcome Mensius, you are not currently in this game, are you, damn Orange has me paranoid.

	06-02-2002 01:46									#18
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oooooops.

	06-02-2002 01:52									#19
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OKay, good, so we're all set witht his game. I'll post them map on the Winter thread. We still need a replacement for Du_Chat's position in Domination Dip and a GM for Frontier Imperial. I heard that Berzerker was back....

	06-02-2002 01:56									#20
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ok, now I need to dip with yet another player.

Jesus, if anyone else quits I will hunt them down and cut their liver out.

	06-02-2002 03:32									#21
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If another player quits, then im willing to play their postion untill a replacement could be found. I dont want to take on their spot, and i wont form grand plans, but i will try to stregthen the nation tactically as best i can.

	06-02-2002 04:14									#22
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thanks for the offer Charger. Not to negate it, but this is just my thoughts - if a nation NMRs at this point, civil disorder. It's too difficult for everyone, and it really screws up players when they're communicating with new people all the time.