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Agree, this will make the game more realistic IMO.
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Tiberius
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Europe
Jan 2000
time: 06:12
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Yes, good idea.
Here's the list in my vision:
Riots (though it's not a natural catastrophe)- Temple, Colloseum, Cathedral, Police Station
Fires- Fire Dept.
Famines- Granary, Supermarket (completely eliminates famines, also adds +gold)
Plagues (-1 pop)- Aqueduct, Sewer system, Hospital (I think Firaxis shouldn't limit the growth of cities to 8 or 12, but increases the chances of diseases if the city has no aqueduct and/or sewer system)
Floods- Weather services (also increases trade revenue because of reduced loss of cargo/passengers, but only if you have harbour or airport in the city!!!). I'm sure there's more here, especially for ancient times, but right now I can't figure out what
Pollution- Recycling Center, Mass Transit, Fusion Plant. I think pollution should also increases the chances for floods, diseases, tornadoes.
OK. More???
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airdrik
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Nampa, ID, USA
Oct 2000
time: 22:12
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floods-dams (dams stop flooding downstream altogether, but create reservoirs, a tile of 'ocean' square, or a widened stretch of the river depending on how it's implemented)
Other unstoppable disasters should be implemented and have things that lessen the blow, ex:
Hurricane-Damages everything in x amount of area, causes x amount of damage to population
Weather service reduces pop decrease to about 5%
Tornado-Desrtoys random buildings in one city(only one or two) as well as x amount of damage to pop
Weather service reduces pop decrease to .1%
Earthquake-damages buildings, causes x pop decrease(greater damages near source)
Improved building design reduces damages to 5% of total damage that would have been done.
Volcano-destroys up to 1 city, terrain=lava rock
Volcano detection systems allow pop to flee city before the volcano erupts, new city apears outside of reach of volcano w/99% of pop as first city or population in nearest city increases by the population of the city destroyed-1%
Tsuname-1 island is no more or a groop of ships in x area are destroyed or damage done to one costal city
Tsuname detection(weather service) allows ships/citizens to retreat before any damage is done.
comments, suggestions?
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airdrik
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Nampa, ID, USA
Oct 2000
time: 22:12
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Which civgods? Are there plurle gods or just one, or is there one? Idea for new thread: should civ3 have the Option of having one true religion?
Other than preying, there could be a way to control earthquakes, volcanos, and tsunames (tsunames are caused by underwater earthquakes, for you info) after discovering some future tech like tectonic plate control, or something. And tornadoes and hurricanes and other storms could be likewise controled by gaining some tech like weather control  . These techs would actually give a wonder that is realy hard to build, but would stop all such natural disasters in your civ (and any civs that you ally yourself with).
[This message has been edited by airdrik (edited November 16, 2000).]
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Vrank Prins
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Haarlem, Netherlands
Sep 2000
time: 05:12
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Here’s an idea I wrote about on 06-11-2000 in the thread In the beginning: an article about ancient civilization by jrhughes98. It’s about a structural setback which IMO will make the game more challenging. A bit like we have now with global warming in CIV, but only more severe.
EROSION & SOIL DECOMPOSITION
Agriculture, especially in ancient times, very often has suffered severely from structural (!!) erosion in all its manifestations, because of insufficient agricultural merits/habits. Erosion has always been, and still is a very difficult phenomenon to handle. Soil decomposition is mainly caused by insufficient ways of irrigation, which causes salination of the soil; or for lack of (enough) fertilizer which causes soil-exhaustion.
Three modern-time examples.
In the late twenties and early thirties the prairiestates In the US suffered from what is called the dustbowl, caused by a combination of drought and a wrong agricultural habit. Luckily enough ways have been found to solve this problem, sometimes this meant that the former intensive use had to be brought to more moderate ways of using the land.
Parts of the former Soviet Union are seriously crippled because of soilsalination due to insufficient ways of irrigation. In parts of Spain and California this also is a subject of constant concern.
In parts of the west of the Netherlands, in the "peatpolders" of Holland and Utrecht we have to drain the water out of the fields and then pump the water out of the polders to control its waterlevel, so that tractors can ride over the meadows. By doing so over the last 70 years groundlevel has fallen 1 meter because of the oxidation of the peat (that’s also a form of erosion), which calls for renewed lowering of the waterlevel, which causes more oxidation, which etc. Uptill now no solution for this problem has been found. Usually polders which really have become useless to farmers (just too soppy) are made natureresorts . . . . .
In ancient times erosion & soildecomposition has caused whole communities/civs/colonies to collapse. There is a theory which claims that parts of the Mediterranean are still suffering from the ecological hazards caused by erosion because of too intensive timberlogging (f.i. to build fleets) by the greecs and romans. This also should have happened to indian tribes in New Mexico in the late middle-ages (12th to 14th century (?! I don't exactly know when, but around that time).
You would "experience" erosion & soil exhaustion in the game by at first accidental and slowly but steadily over a longer period of time dwindling agricultural output. When these problems have become structural it should be so that the solution, most certainly in the beginning of the game, lies a few advances away. OUCH . . . . This could cause cities to diminish, or that its social structure collapses (the less agricultural output, the less production, the less luxuries etc.). It may even cause a city to . . . . disappear. OOPS . . . .
Crop rotation may be an answer to your problem, artificial fertilizer.
I can think of a few others of these structrual setbacks in the game. This is only one idea about agricultural setbacks, but why not have them in the field of hygiene, economy, sociology, science’s etc.
Point is certain ways of doing things under certain conditions may have bad effects in the long run. Notice this, "under certain conditions, may . . . ", it shouldn’t be so that everywhere problems occur. But (!), they always occur when your population have grown beyond a certain point and starts to put pressure on things, the old insufficient ways.
[This message has been edited by Vrank Prins (edited November 22, 2000).]
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14-11-2000 23:25
Othervise, most cheat-player 
are likely to just reload a previously saved game. 
Not fun at all!
Way out of technologically feasible developments.
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