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quote: Originally posted by steelehc Luxembourgish Is that a language?

Ah, me jo. Letzebeurgish as a sprooch fir sicher.

It is a pig to write though. It's similar to the dialect that is spoken in the Alsace. A mixture between French and German is probably the best way to describe it.

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On a sidenote, I seem to get the first post on a new page disproportionally often.

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quote: Originally posted by Roland Natan: "Technically speaking, it's always written in hebrew characters..." I thought some of the modern jiddisch literature used latin characters ?

As far as I know, there's not even an agreed upon system of transliteration, nor could there ever be, since pronounciation varies so much by region. Besides, there'd be no point, since you'd just be left with slavicized middle German plus a bunch of Hebrew words.

quote: "Yakh libe tzu redn yiddish, ober es iz nisht mein mame-loshn." I love to hear it, but I can't speak it. Yet I understand about 80-90 % of it.

"I love to talk Yiddish, but it's not my mother tongue." (loshn is the ashkenazi pronounciation of the Hebrew lashon, meaning tonge/language. mame-loshn is hence "mother-tongue."

quote: "kh'rede yiddish mit mein zede, er iz fun Lodz. Es iz a mikhaye far im tzu redn yiddish mit mir." mikhaye = pleasure or problem ?

"I speak Yiddish with my Grandfather, who is from Lodz. It is a great pleasure (mikhaye) for him to speak Yiddish with me.

quote: "oon er hot zain gefilte-fish mit tzuker oon nit mit kein pfefer gekokht." I didn't know jiddisch also has the dreaded double negation. Does it have triple and quadruple negations too ?

Never seen more than two, but the double negative phrase "ni(sh)t kein" is almost universally used - it's the equivlent of "ain't got no" in American slang. This has gotten me into trouble a few times when I got German and Yiddish confused.

quote: And don't tell me you tried that "recipe"!

Which one? Of course I've eaten gefilte fish, although the peppery kind - I'm not sure where I could even get them if I wanted to. Those Litvaks were always much too arrogant anyway.

And now Roland, it's your turn - show us some Bayernisch.

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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin I know what it meant but its a poor translation of - "Welcome the Wales" or "You cross the Wales", just curious as to what you "meant".

Welcome to Wales. Check the signs next time you enter the place. If you bring binoculars you may be able to see one from Bristol

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Well OK, I checked again, it should be Croeso i Gymru. I was close, anyway

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well your English is damn good for someone who is crap at languages. The only way to tell you are not English is the accent, the English itself is faultless, better than the majority of native speakers, and you can't really ask for more than that.

Is Snapcase Svedish?

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Natan:

"... but the double negative phrase "ni(sh)t kein" is almost universally used - it's the equivlent of "ain't got no" in American slang. This has gotten me into trouble a few times when I got German and Yiddish confused."

Standard german is quite picky about this, but in our dialect, you could create monstrums like "I bin no nia net in koam Puff net gwen", which would be "I have not never to no brothel not been". Supposed to say, "really, really not, trust me, no, really not".

"Yakh libe tzu redn yiddish, ober es iz nisht mein mame-loshn."

Would be: "I red gern Jiddisch oba es is net mei muattasproch"

Crucial phrases:

"Des passt scho" - "It's allright"

"Wirt, no a Runde bittschee" - "Waiter/Chef, another round of beers please" (btw, yiddish "bitt(e)scheen" ?)

"Du narrischa Hund du" - "You crazy dog", meaning an acknowledgement of courage

And a short story:
"Gestan bin I mit an feschn Medl essn gwen, hod ois passt, und auf amoi wandlt's me ane mim Schrim drüwa. I moan I dram, wos soi des nua haasn ? I hob do nix to. Oda wei I nix to hoab ? Ah, Weiwa. Oiwei dessöbe."

Well ?

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I speak swedish, english and porno film german

quote: Originally posted by Asher Is Snapcase Svedish?

Yes, he is. (I was a little surprised by this but I don´t know why really...)

Dissident: "Die Bart, die" means "The moustach, the" IIRC

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Bart is beard, but it's _der_ Bart. And the second "die" doesn't make sense anyway. Diss, where did you get that?

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quote: Originally posted by Roland Bart is beard, but it's _der_ Bart.

Oh, yeah...I knew it was something face related But since it´s from a Sideshow Bob line in "The Simpsons" I don´t think you should take the error in the grammar too seriously...

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I'd even give the Simpson's a dispense from german grammar.

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quote: Originally posted by jasev There is an ancient legend in Ireland; it says that the first irish inhabitants came from northern Spain (Galicia). So the spanish guys should have priority with irish girls

Funnily enough, there is a version of this legend which has these people (the Firbolg) coming from Greece, so Paiktis22 isn't far wrong....

The rendition of the Firbolg in the online game 'The Dark Ages of Camelot' isn't so flattering though

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And I think we have also colonized parts of the Iberian Peninsula.
At least that's what I've read in Asterix.

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I speak jive and Venom, if no one's mentioned those yet.

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quote: Originally posted by Roland I'd even give the Simpson's a dispense from german grammar.

Yeah, it a b!tch ain´t it?

Luckily enough swedish and german grammar is closely related, so I didn´t have much trouble with it in school But I have managed to forget most of it so I´m thinking of brushing up my german at night school, just for fun...

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German grammar... Do not get me started on that topic. For your own sake. All those exceptions, articles, relations, propositions, conjugations... Aargh! I am studying my second term of German, and it will be the last one for good. That is a promise.

German - the language that convinced me that languages weren't my cup of tea, and that science was for me.

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kass, from what I hear, Finnish grammar is even worse...

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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Well OK, I checked again, it should be Croeso i Gymru. I was close, anyway

Confusing your "y"s and "i"s.

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English, German, and Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish).

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Of course Finnish grammar is even worse. One of the main reasons why the Suomithreadi has lived for so long is that we have fun with all the discrepancies, oddities and great chances of the Finnish grammar (and the Finnish dialects, and other delicacies). It's really one of the threads with the richest expression here... I'm really sorry you guys can't read it ...

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a dweud y gwir mi parablu ychydigyn Cymraeg (a cwla)

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quote: Originally posted by LightEning Of course Finnish grammar is even worse. One of the main reasons why the Suomithreadi has lived for so long is that we have fun with all the discrepancies, oddities and great chances of the Finnish grammar (and the Finnish dialects, and other delicacies). It's really one of the threads with the richest expression here... I'm really sorry you guys can't read it ...

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Does anyone here speak Lojban?

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quote: Originally posted by Roland Natan: "... but the double negative phrase "ni(sh)t kein" is almost universally used - it's the equivlent of "ain't got no" in American slang. This has gotten me into trouble a few times when I got German and Yiddish confused." Standard german is quite picky about this, but in our dialect, you could create monstrums like "I bin no nia net in koam Puff net gwen", which would be "I have not never to no brothel not been". Supposed to say, "really, really not, trust me, no, really not".

We Polish Jews are poor - we can only afford two negatives.

quote: "Yakh libe tzu redn yiddish, ober es iz nisht mein mame-loshn." Would be: "I red gern Jiddisch oba es is net mei muattasproch"

Is the "I" the i of "Insane" or of "fine?" And is "is" pronounced list ist without the T or like the English is?

quote: "Wirt, no a Runde bittschee" - "Waiter/Chef, another round of beers please" (btw, yiddish "bitt(e)scheen" ?)

wirt=waiter
Runde = round of beers
bittschee = please? (bitte schön)
Not sure how to express that it Yiddish. We don't really drink beer.

quote: "Du narrischa Hund du" - "You crazy dog", meaning an acknowledgement of courage

Heh, narrischa just means foolish in Yiddish. Except in the expression Narischkeit, which means humor.

quote: "Gestan bin I mit an feschn Medl essn gwen

Yesterday I ate with a pretty girl

quote: hod ois passt und auf amoi wandlt's me ane mim Schrim drüwa.

For all I can tell, this might as well be Swedish. Sorry.

quote: I moan I dram, wos soi des nua haasn ?

I wondered what this should be called?

quote: I hob do nix to.

I didn't do it?

quote: Oda wei I nix to hoab ? Ah, Weiwa. Oiwei dessöbe."

Again, no clue.
nix=nicht?

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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X kass, from what I hear, Finnish grammar is even worse...

I admit that, but I would say that it's more easy to learn a language that you have heard since the cradle rather then a language you are taught when you are fourteen years old.

Bah, what LaitE said.

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quote: Originally posted by kassiopeia I admit that, but I would say that it's more easy to learn a language that you have heard since the cradle rather then a language you are taught when you are fourteen years old.

You have a point there, that´s why swedish people are so good in english I guess

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quote: Originally posted by Kamrat X You have a point there, that´s why swedish people are so good in english I guess

And since Finnish is universally unspoken , we have a tendency to learn at least the Swedish and English languages. Not to mention the fact that the fascist school system forces poor students to do so.

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Natan:

"Is the "I" the i of "Insane" or of "fine?""

More like the ee in feel. A bit longer than the i in in-. Same for the i in "is".

"Not sure how to express that it Yiddish. We don't really drink beer."

Jo wos drink'ts es sunst, nochats ? (So what do you drink, then?)

"Heh, narrischa just means foolish in Yiddish."

Well, "närrisch" (with Umlaut) means foolish. "Narrisch" (only in dialect) means crazy, nuts, daring. But the are all rooted in "Narr" (fool).

"For all I can tell, this might as well be Swedish. Sorry."

hod ois passt = hat alles gepasst = everything was ok

auf amoi = auf einmal = suddenly

wandlt's me ane... drüwa = ?? ~ hit me

mim Schirm = mit dem Schirm = with the umbrella

* note: not really, but almost.

"I moan I dram, wos soi des nua haasn ?"

I moan = I think (same root as "I mean)
haasn =heißen/bedeuten = mean

nix=nichts=nothing

"Ah, Weiwa. Oiwei dessöbe."

Well that's not really difficult to imagine...

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quote: Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin a dweud y gwir mi parablu ychydigyn Cymraeg (a cwla)

I'll learn to speak Welsh someday, when I have the time. Just have to get this damnable Japanese out of the way. Nihongo wa totemo muzukashi desu ne.

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So... is there anywhere in Europe (except perhaps the UK - but correct me if I'm wrong) that learning at least two languages ISN"T compulsory for a time?

In NZ we all learn a little Maori in primary school, but very few keep it up. I have studied both Spanish and French (meaning I really have a degree in Spanglish and Franglais )in NZ, but it was an uphill battle and I am in a distinct minority, even amongst Uni students. I wish it were the case that we all had to learn at least two languages through school, but the Government seems to be run as the Universities are - only the money-making schemes get encouraged.