19-11-2000 08:25									#1
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Who wants to see civ III be a windowed game vs a full screen game....


I find it interesting that one of the biggest appeals of civ II is the fact that it is windowed. At least this is a huge appeal for those of us that play the game online. So which do you think is better?

	19-11-2000 08:40									#2
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Well i don't see the point in *****ing and moaning here, but yea, i'm deffinatly in favor of it being a windowed game. I hate full screen games, i've always got a crap load of other things going on.



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	19-11-2000 08:48									#4
	Put an end to popups!

Thats not what we talking about.


ALT tabing is a pain in the butt. If you get a icq message etc you will never know unless your alt tabing out every 5 seconds.

	19-11-2000 10:51									#6
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I definitly want it to be windowed. I think I would have played SMAC more if I had been able to do other things between turns.

	19-11-2000 11:23									#7
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Has to be windowed.

I can't stand a game taking over the full use of my pc.
Don't like this in the reaMYST demo and it might put me off getting CTP2.

They talked for years about muti-tasking, well now we all want to do it!

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winamp........

I mean, you only do it if you got a good pc (or Mac)


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	19-11-2000 12:06									#8
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you summed it up ozzy. when you need to contact people its better to have a windowed game than a full.
full screen games suck.

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	19-11-2000 12:18									#9
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Winamp I never had a problem with in SMAC, but everything else was a pain in the ass. I also got ahold of windowed Colonization and loved it to death.

Firaxis, if you're listening, for the love of god make it windowed!

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	19-11-2000 13:11									#10
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I agree definately windowed!!! If it has multiplayer that is a must feature.

	19-11-2000 13:55									#11
	Put an end to popups!

Am I the only person who doesn't mind full screen?

	19-11-2000 13:58									#12
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windowed and multi player all in one. None of this sp game and then an mp game years later to make more money.

	19-11-2000 14:51									#14
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I just "hide" the game on my Mac and get on with other things. Apart from that, Civ 3 should be windowed.

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	19-11-2000 19:25									#15
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Windowed!

	20-11-2000 02:08									#16
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Windowed. You've got to be able to do other things in between turns.

	20-11-2000 02:25									#17
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Pardon me, but I believe that a windowed game uses more system resources than a non-windowed game. Though, I don't have any information to support this fact, I've had this problem with other games. That is why the player should have a choice to either have a windowed or non-windowed game. Which do you prefer? Ease of doing other tasks while playing civ, or a speedier, more stable game. The player should decide.

P.S. If someone could successfully find some proof about this on the Internet and post it in this thread with a link to it that would be great! Thanks.

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	20-11-2000 05:28									#18
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response on the same issue in the ctp2 forum from Pyaray, a ctp2 developer

quote: The problem with running in Windowed mode as oppossed to full screen, is that animations are VERY slow. We do actually use quite a few animations in our game. There were no animations in Civ2, and that's why it could be a Windowed game. I seriuosly doubt Civ3 will be that way, although obviously I don't know for certain

	20-11-2000 05:50									#19
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windowed! CTP was a pain that way with no other messaging you could do easily.

	20-11-2000 07:03									#20
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markg Just compare CTP 2 to Sudden strike, red alert 2,starcraft or TA. All those games have 4+ players moving 100's of units at once. The only real lag in those games is caused by the network in multiplayer... Anyways SMAC and CTP 2 only allow you to move 1 unit at a time, therefor the effects of animations should be insignificant. The battle sceens in CTP 2 are nothing compared to a 100 unit army clashing with another 100 unit army in either TA or startcraft

I think the point has been made here, that there isn't a single person who plays civ2 online that wants to see civ 3 played full screen. That is because people get bored to death waiting between turns, and at the same time your cut off from doing anything else on your computer.

	20-11-2000 09:00									#21
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windowed. i usually do several things at once and full screen games are a pain in the ass

	20-11-2000 17:28									#22
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I can't belive everyone ignored Markos' quote - I thought all you guys wanted pretty little animations in the game - looks like windowed will be unsuitable for that!

And as to the topic - I think the game should be full screen. (And that was before reading Markos' post.)

quote: I definitly want it to be windowed. I think I would have played SMAC more if I had been able to do other things between turns.

	23-11-2000 03:59									#24
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full screen

	23-11-2000 06:52									#25
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Fullscreen.

It isn't that difficult to alt+tab.

Shouldn't it be possible to option this. I have seen games (a few years old, but still) that you can run in either fullscreen or windowed modes.

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	25-11-2000 09:06									#27
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Ultra, what are you talking about? You can ALt+Tab out of starcraft. I don't think I have found a game yet that you can't alt+tab out of.

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	25-11-2000 17:56									#28
	Full PM-box? Change here!

What the?
Be back soon to verify the veracity of that information... if SC is still installed.

edit: Damn it's no longer installed. But I seem to recall that SC wouldn't be alt-tabbed out of unless you access the map editor from the main screen.

Oh well in that case than the debate on full screen or not has a forgone conclusion, then.

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