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Federal Government To Round Up Illegal Immigrants Get a bigger avatar today!

About damn time. It will prove more difficult then they think I'm afraid though. Although, they should concentrate on getting them out of here instead of trying to convict them and putting them in prison. We need that room for the scum that comes from America. Highlighted areas are mine.


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WASHINGTON (AP) - Thousands of illegal Middle Eastern immigrants who have ignored deportation orders will be interrogated by federal agents, who will focus on any who may have ties to terrorism, The Washington Post reported Friday.

The plan, which the Post said was detailed in a Jan. 25 Justice Department (news - web sites) memo, is part of the Immigration and Naturalization Service's effort to locate an estimated 314,000 foreigners.

The memo was written by sent to anti-terrorism officials by Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson, the newspaper said.

It instructs federal agents to find methods of detaining some of the immigrants for possible criminal charges, rather than merely expelling them from the United States.

Justice Department and FBI officials have said that the operation would focus first on about 6,000 immigrants from countries identified as al-Qaida strongholds.

A Justice Department official did not immediately return call late Thursday seeking comment on the report.

The vast majority of immigrants ignoring deportation orders, also known as ``absconders,'' are Latin American.

Officials said the arrests will begin next week with a group of fewer than 1,000 illegal immigrants, mostly from the Middle East and Pakistan, according to the Post.

The immigrants are believed to be the most dangerous because they are convicted felons.


U.S. officials are forming special ``apprehension teams'' that include agents from the FBI, the U.S. Marshals Service and the INS, according to the memo. The results of any interviews will compiled in a new computer database.

The memo says the new effort is unrelated to the voluntary interviews with immigrants from the Mideast the federal government conducted recently, the Post reported.

``Unlike the subjects of the interview project ... these absconders are to be apprehended and treated as criminal suspects, and they are to be afforded all standard procedural rights and constitutional protections,'' Thompson wrote.

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I better hide now.

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About bloody time!

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I get the feeling this is purposely being ignored

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No one can argue that is a bad idea. So they choose to ignore it instead of giving credit.

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Very true


Somthing this big and the Media has given up. Only a small segment and usaul Liberal vs Conservative debate......plus with the military moving into the mexican border. Isnt it odd?



Also note that it will take along time. Probably 5 months just to find the first 300,000. (worst of the worst).

Maybe Bush told the media not to raise a stink (dont want em' runnin do we?)

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So who's gonna bus my tables? Who's gonna pick our vegitables? Who's gonna do all the work that Americans won't do?

I mean hell, if you're gonna throw people out of the country, why not throw out the H1-B tech immigrants so we computer workers can get more money from lowered competition. . . . Oh, right, this is about f*cking over poor people.

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Oh, right, this is about f*cking over poor people.


It looks to me like its about f*cking over people who break the law.

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ok then. f*cking over poor people who break the law

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ok then. f*cking over poor people who break the law


That only happens after they get thrown in prison.

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what we really need is free and open immegration

so that the poor can all immegrate

all will contribute to society by beinglegal

and we can catch the criminals

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What makes you people believe y'all deserve to be here any more than they do?

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It instructs federal agents to find methods of detaining some of the immigrants for possible criminal charges, rather than merely expelling them from the United States.


This is ****ing outrageous! They're trying to find bullshit charges, and use them as excuses to detain these people!

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What makes you people believe y'all deserve to be here any more than they do?


What makes you think they deserve to be here anymore than people who obeyed the law to get here?

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It looks to me like its about f*cking over people who break the law.


Yeah, they commited the horrible crime of having the wrong parents.

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I think the only law I obeyed to get here was the law of fetal development.

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What makes you think they deserve to be here anymore than people who obeyed the law to get here?


They don't. Both groups deserve to be here equally.

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I think the only law I obeyed to get here was the law of fetal development.


That's nice. Completely irrelevant to my point, but nice.

Ramo: They don't.

Good, we agree then. If you don't agree with a law you have three choices:

1) Obey it.
2) Violate it and hope no one notices but be willing to pay the consequences if someone actually does notice.
3) Try and change it.

Illegal immigrants by and large fall into category #2.

paiktis22: Nice how?

Wouldn't you like to know?

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That's nice. Completely irrelevant to my point, but nice.



Nice how? From an aesthetic point of view?

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Relax Dinodoc


Really is this the first time there is a "sweep operation" (as is called in Greece ) in the US?

Meaning gathering up illegal immigrants and sending them back to their countries of origin?

That's what I gathered.

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So who's gonna bus my tables? Who's gonna pick our vegitables? Who's gonna do all the work that Americans won't do?

I mean hell, if you're gonna throw people out of the country, why not throw out the H1-B tech immigrants so we computer workers can get more money from lowered competition. . . . Oh, right, this is about f*cking over poor people.


LOL! You know, I wouldn't worry too much about this, Che. They'll get rid of the Paki's, but once there is an Hispanic maid shortage in Arlington Heights, the law will stop being pushed so hard:

"Honey, we can't afford $1,000 a month for daily maid service. We need Rosarita back and we need her now! Why'd you vote for that stupid law, anyway?"

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You still haven't answered my question, Dino.

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Good, we agree then. If you don't agree with a law you have three choices:

1) Obey it.
2) Violate it and hope no one notices but be willing to pay the consequences if someone actually does notice.
3) Try and change it.

Illegal immigrants by and large fall into category #2.


What's your point?

So they deserve to be detained indefinitely by the state simply because they disobeyed an irrational, totalitarian law. Should the same have applied to Hitler's untermenschen?

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they should be found

those who are criminial should be treated as such

those that aren't should be allowed to do the immegration process legally (maybe after a fine)

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You still haven't answered my question, Dino.


The answer to your question is that the immigrants that obeyed the law to get here deserve to stay. Those that didn't obey the law to get here don't. Is that enough of an answer?

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What's your point?


That they disobeyed a very reasonable law and should not be suprised when they have to pay the piper, so to speak.

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It doesn't help that they don't have millions to drag out the cases in court for years, either.

I don't know why the FBI doesn't go after bigger criminals first.

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they should be found

those who are criminial should be treated as such


The first group that the INS is arresting consists of felons who have already served their time. And the INS is using "criminality" (not restricted to felonies - could be nothing more than jay-walking) as nothing more than an excuse to detain the rest.

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(maybe after a fine)


Why?

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The answer to your question is that the immigrants that obeyed the law to get here deserve to stay. Those that didn't obey the law to get here don't. Is that enough of an answer?


No, but that wasn't my question anyways, it was the converse of yours. Again, what makes you believe you deserve to be here any more than "illegal" immigrants do?

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That they disobeyed a very reasonable law


Why is it reasonable? It is neither economically efficient, nor humane.

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and should not be suprised when they have to pay the piper, so to speak


If you had to choose between insuring your family has enough to eat and obeying immigration regulations, would you still be a good drone of the state?

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They deserve to be deported/detained by the state becuase the disobeyed a law that is neither irrational


Again, inhibiting the free movement of peoples is both morally and economically unsound.

[uote]nor totalitarian.[/quote]

The state tells you where you can or cannot go. That sounds fairly totalitarian to me.

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Again, what makes you believe you deserve to be here any more than "illegal" immigrants do?


I haven't overstayed my visa, Ramo.

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Why is it reasonable?


A State has the right to control its borders which includes setting requirements on immigration which can be as free or as closed as it chooses.

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The state tells you where you can or cannot go. That sounds fairly totalitarian to me.




Everything the State does sounds fairly totalitarian to you, Ramo. I'll be serious now. Let's use Caligasta as an example. What is totalitarian about the procedures that he has gone through? Note: Overly beaurocratic is different from totalitarian.

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I haven't overstayed my visa, Ramo.


Interesting non-sequitur, but you still haven't answered my question.

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A State has the right to control its borders


Why? From where do these rights come from?

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Everything the State does sounds fairly totalitarian to you, Ramo.


Fair enough.

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I'll be serious now. Let's use Caligasta as an example. What is totalitarian about the procedures that he has gone through? Note: Overly beaurocratic is different from totalitarian.


Well, there isn't exactly a huge amount of people trying to leave New Zealand to go to the US, and presumably, Cali has decent eduction. How easy do you think it would be to become a legal resident for a poor Mexican?

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The first group that the INS is arresting consists of felons who have already served their time. And the INS is using "criminality" (not restricted to felonies - could be nothing more than jay-walking) as nothing more than an excuse to detain the rest.



Why?


A fine because they did do something illegal and that should be discouraged

I am pro immegration because it is smart, not because it is 'right'

if they do crimes in the US and have not immegrated here, then I see no reason to not kick them out

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Why? From where do these rights come from?


From the people wwho are citizens and set up the government (which is not those who enterd illegally)

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