28-11-2000 09:27									#32
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A Communism does NOT have to have one party in power if they have a Constitution. I assume that you mean that the Communist party must remain in power to keep a Communism. That's only been true in the Communist governments we've seen. But if the requirements of the government are clearly written out in their responsibility of controlling all industry and the entire market, then any party can come into power without toppling the Communist government.

	28-11-2000 18:00									#33
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Chances are that a second party would want to change the constitution .

Btw DarkCloud here is yet another government type: the military Junta.

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	29-11-2000 07:20									#35
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Ribannah- the "Junta" if that truly is a utopic society, it is not possible (even though this is merely a game) human nature forbids it. We achieved what we are through conflict and competition, much like other animals, but with our intelligence we did much better in evolution.

A Republican is not from a Republic, and a Democrat is not from a Democracy, Christantine; they evolved for different reasons- someone such as S. Kroeze possibly could tell us the exact reasons, so I will let him.

	30-11-2000 00:40									#37
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Who suggested junta is an utopian government?!? It is rule by millitary generals and usually involves large amounts of corruption and incompetence (not always though eg. WWII Japan). I agree though that it should be included as a form of government.

	30-11-2000 00:48									#38
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Some more theoretical government types (though I don't think they should be included unless the game continues far into the future, which I oppose and even then...):

Cryptocracy - secret rule (ie. the government is "hidden", so nobody knows who rules. It could also involve a democracy on the surface but in reality...)

Technocracy - rule primarily by scientists (and the educated elite)

And one historical gov: Oligocracy - the rule by merchants

	30-11-2000 03:38									#41
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My final point on Communism: I think that the fundamental principals and theory of Communism are what should be honored in the game. We should disregard Communism's success or the governments that have developed when Communists have come to power. The theory of communism says NOTHING about a dictatorship.

And Ribannah, the trouble is that you automatically assume that the parties would be divided into Communist and Capitalist. They probably have several parties of Communists as we here in every capitalist country have separate parties. Are Democrats and Republicans in favor of two entirely different kinds of government (no jokes please)? No, in fact a Communist party would have no meaning if Capitalism didn't exist. Everybody would be Communist, but they wouldn't call themselves that. And even if there were some small right-wing Capitalist group, they would have to have the power in a legislative body to make alterations to the Constitution.

	30-11-2000 03:43									#42
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I am not sure how each of these governments should effect the game. But I would like to see more of a tree progression through the government types instead of the ladder progression that is in CIV2.

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	30-11-2000 07:55									#43
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HsFB's post made me think it was a utopia.

Oligarchy- is that a market economy, I thought it was rule by women? or kings.

quote: Cryptocracy - secret rule (ie. the government is "hidden", so nobody knows who rules. It could also involve a democracy on the surface but in reality...) Technocracy - rule primarily by scientists (and the educated elite)

	01-12-2000 02:39									#44
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Oligarchy-Rule by small group of people.

It is kind of like a provisional government where a group of high ranking people might run the country for a while until a new leader can be chosen.

	01-12-2000 12:17									#45
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Rule by women is a Matriarchy.

A Technocracy is ruled by educated bureaucrats, not scientists, it's a more modern version of a Plutocracy, they're expected to make the best choices for the people since they can "understand" political decisions and make the best decision for everyone.