13-02-2002 03:22									#31
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quote: Originally posted by siredgar It better have specify player starting locations.

Why? If you know where they are, why not have the whole map exposed? This is a necessity for most scenarios but for a regular game, that sounds like cheating.

	13-02-2002 03:33									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS Actually, it has more to do with the fact that the first version of this patch we submitted passed QA than the scope of the changes. If it had required fixes, the next version submitted would have been v1.18f, and so forth. Jeff

Aha. That is one way of using version numbers. It holds prove the patch god I suppose, you got it through on first try.

	13-02-2002 03:35									#33
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quote: Originally posted by siredgar It better have specify player starting locations.

Assuming you mean historically-correct starting positions for the world maps, no, they will not be in the patch.

Dan

	13-02-2002 03:36									#34
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I wouldn't expect stacked movement until an expansion pack, if at all. It will take a lot of programming to get the AI to use stacks, plus it will require graphical representation on the interface.

But, dare to dream. They have had quite some time...

	13-02-2002 03:38									#35
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BTW - is it jus a coincidence that the bicchange + gamechange = editorchange?

	13-02-2002 03:41									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS Assuming you mean historically-correct starting positions for the world maps, no, they will not be in the patch. Dan

That would be a scenario, would it not? Guess you lost a fan or two who thinks this is so critical.

	13-02-2002 03:47									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS Assuming you mean historically-correct starting positions for the world maps, no, they will not be in the patch. Dan

Do you mean I STILL won't be able to specify player starting locations in the map editor???

	13-02-2002 03:48									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS Assuming you mean historically-correct starting positions for the world maps, no, they will not be in the patch. Dan

I think he means simply the ability to specify starting locations generally with the editor, e.g., paint a world and put civs in it.

	13-02-2002 03:50									#39
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You can specify player starting positions, as you always could. The ability to assign a specific civ or player to that starting position has not been implemented as of v1.17f.


Dan

	13-02-2002 03:54									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS You can specify player starting positions, as you always could. The ability to assign a specific civ or player to that starting position has not been implemented as of v1.17f. Dan

Then the answer is no.

	13-02-2002 04:01									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Slax I wouldn't expect stacked movement until an expansion pack, if at all. It will take a lot of programming to get the AI to use stacks, plus it will require graphical representation on the interface. But, dare to dream. They have had quite some time...

The AI does not need stack movement. They can move each unit individually at speed of light. It is the human player, who needs a break from the damn tedius movement. It does not require any new art work. As of right now, you can already put more than 1 units on the same tile. What more graphic representation is needed?
Group movement in my opinion, is very easy to implement. If people at Faraxis does not know how to do this, they can come to Brown Unversity, and I can over-enroll them in my computer science lecture.

	13-02-2002 04:17									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dida The AI does not need stack movement. They can move each unit individually at speed of light. It is the human player, who needs a break from the damn tedius movement. It does not require any new art work. As of right now, you can already put more than 1 units on the same tile. What more graphic representation is needed? Group movement in my opinion, is very easy to implement. If people at Faraxis does not know how to do this, they can come to Brown Unversity, and I can over-enroll them in my computer science lecture.

I agree that the AI don't necessarily need stacked movement (I was thinking along the lines of staked combat).

Still in order to add stacked movement you must be able to choose whether a unit is joining or leaving a stack, and you need to know whether a unit is currently stacked or not. These issues could be (poorly) instituted only in the right click menu, but really should have graphical representation much like armies do.

	13-02-2002 04:33									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Slax Still in order to add stacked movement you must be able to choose whether a unit is joining or leaving a stack, and you need to know whether a unit is currently stacked or not. These issues could be (poorly) instituted only in the right click menu, but really should have graphical representation much like armies do.

as far as the coding is concerned, these can be easily done if they keep their source code neat enough.
For graphic representation is secondary, and should not be of any technical difficulty.

	13-02-2002 06:19									#44
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firaxis has already conceded that v.1.17f sucks by naming it v1.17f.

F=failure, fubar, frustrating

Call me when the release a patch with an s

S=super, stupendous, stellar

And no, F does not = finished

	13-02-2002 06:27									#45
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quote: And no, F does not = finished

You're right, I think it means finalized.

	13-02-2002 06:54									#46
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Lib: I can't review the patch because I took the game back. While I wait for the Gold Edition, however, I await your crystal-clear reviews.

	13-02-2002 07:11									#47
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quote: I await your crystal-clear reviews.

I think you meant to a lol smiley and not a regular smiley, am I right?

	13-02-2002 07:52									#48
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quote: Originally posted by ACooper Seems legit. This is great news. But at a .01 increment I wonder what it will fix.

I think its going to stop people from captureing 100s of workers and building 2000 pop cities.

	13-02-2002 07:59									#49
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I would not expect group movement in this next patch. Most probably, some bug fixes, more things added to the editor, perhaps a new way to fight corruption via an existing improvement, some tweaks on wonders and small wonders and better game performance overall. Let's wait and see.

	13-02-2002 10:08									#50
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i hope they don't put in those CD-protection crap this time. Last time they did it, and the game stopped working on my CD-R. So I gotta play it on my mom's PC where she has a CD-ROM.
The whole cd-protection thing is just silly, because people can hack it no matter what. I had to modify the original .exe file, because the game freeze the moment I try to run it from my CD-R.

	13-02-2002 19:40									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Dida i hope they don't put in those CD-protection crap this time. Last time they did it, and the game stopped working on my CD-R. So I gotta play it on my mom's PC where she has a CD-ROM. The whole cd-protection thing is just silly, because people can hack it no matter what. I had to modify the original .exe file, because the game freeze the moment I try to run it from my CD-R.

If a player has a legit version of the game, there's nothing wrong with getting a cracked exe from say gamecopyworld.com although those exe's are from fully cracked games, if you use the exe with the legit game you won't have to worry about the CD being in the drive. I did that, in fact... why should I tie up my CD-rom drive to play the game?

	13-02-2002 19:47									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS You can specify player starting positions, as you always could. The ability to assign a specific civ or player to that starting position has not been implemented as of v1.17f. Dan

It doesn't really matter (to me), there are stand-alone utilities that lets us do this, so I'm happy you focused on bugs instead. But for a future patch, it would be very convenient when playing on maps of Earth ; )

	13-02-2002 20:18									#53
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Lib: I can't review the patch because I took the game back. While I wait for the Gold Edition, however, I await your crystal-clear reviews.

Hm I am too lazy to dig for some of your exchanges that date to the time before Lib switched over to the Dark Side

	13-02-2002 20:33									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Dida i hope they don't put in those CD-protection crap this time. Last time they did it, and the game stopped working on my CD-R. So I gotta play it on my mom's PC where she has a CD-ROM. The whole cd-protection thing is just silly, because people can hack it no matter what. I had to modify the original .exe file, because the game freeze the moment I try to run it from my CD-R.

CD protection is useless and annoying. Everytime a patch for a game is released I wait a few days to patch it until I have a crack for the update. Only in certain games (like Civ3) where I can't wait to try out the patch I have to try it from day one the patch is released But it will be annoying to have to have the cd in the drive for two WHOLE days (or how long it takes for them to crack it).

	13-02-2002 20:41									#55
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I'm hoping that they fix the problem of all of my troops being vaporized when a city culture-flips. Take the conscripts and some regulars even, but give me back my veteran and elite troops who are not going to be assimilated regardless.

	13-02-2002 20:51									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Dida They can move each unit individually at speed of light.

Geez, you mean you have an optical computer? Like a cristal or so?
Mine is still electronical, move only at 2/3 speed of light [+ io time]

	13-02-2002 20:51									#57
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Is there any word on the AI trade bug? (where AI trades during the player's turn). I hope that is fixed.

	13-02-2002 20:58									#58
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I really hope that they've fixed more typos in the Civilopedia. That's far more important than things like a real scenario editor or MP or stack movement. I mean *COME ON*, priorties!!!

Cheers,

Dr. Charm

P.S. The word is 'sarcasm'.

	13-02-2002 21:06									#59
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Does the patch mean I won't be able to continue my saved game?

Tommy

	13-02-2002 21:20									#60
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Doubtful.

But if it keeps in line with the other patches, then the new patch won't take effect until you start a new game. You can play your old game without any problems.

My guess is that this "new" patch won't add much in terms of new options. It should fix all the errors from the last patch (too numerous to list here)...