13-02-2002 00:34									#1
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showt...&threadid=16208

	13-02-2002 00:40									#2
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Seems legit. This is great news. But at a .01 increment I wonder what it will fix.

	13-02-2002 00:40									#3
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Be prepared for the picking apart and interpretation of every single word of the soon-to-be posted readme file. Also, get your flame retardant suit on for the outcry of the features that are not included. Wake me up from all of this noise when the expansion pack with the scenarios arrive.

	13-02-2002 00:43									#4
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"Ladies and Gentlemen, start you engines!"

	13-02-2002 00:48									#5
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I wonder how long we'll have to endure the whiners parade? Hopefully people can be a little more mature in criticizing this next patch.

	13-02-2002 00:52									#6
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Oh, stop whining.

	13-02-2002 00:52									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich I wonder how long we'll have to endure the whiners parade? Hopefully people can be a little more mature in criticizing this next patch.

How nice of you that you already started the whining about the whiners before the patch is even released

	13-02-2002 00:54									#8
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quote: How nice of you that you already started the whining about the whiners before the patch is even released

Yeah, ain't in kewl?

	13-02-2002 00:55									#9
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Hell yeah, this is great news! I'm also happy to say that I was right when thinking that a patch would be released within the next month.

I can't wait to read the readme.txt tomorrow.

	13-02-2002 01:06									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Haupt. Dietrich I wonder how long we'll have to endure the whiners parade? Hopefully people can be a little more mature in criticizing this next patch.

Hmm, how about forever?

The game has been out over three months and some people like yin, AH, Libertarian, etc, are still *****ing about the game itself so don't expect them to stop whining anytime soon.

At least until they decide to get off their collective duff's and MAKE a game exactly how they want. Otherwise all they'll ever do is whine, gripe and moan.

	13-02-2002 01:11									#11
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I see nothing wrong with people raising legitimate concerns about the game... even months after it's release.

Face it... (and I do enjoy the game) there are problems with it...
Granted, there will never be agreement on every feature or lack of a feature... that's personal opinion... But the so called "whiners" raise valid points about many problems that I think most of us can agree with. (I will still disagree with how they go about it )

So I look forward to seeing the readme file... and I look forward to continual discussion on what still needs to be done to make Civ III a game that all of us can agree is better than Civ II.

This patch will not address every concern we have... and will probably not answer many specific points that have been raised...
But Firaxis is continuing to support the game... and that's good enough for now.

	13-02-2002 01:16									#12
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I just hope that Yin and I, along with the other level-headed posters/players, will not be the only ones who review the patch with open minds.

	13-02-2002 01:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian I just hope that Yin and I, along with the other level-headed posters/players, will not be the only ones who review the patch with open minds.

I agree... I hope BOTH sides of the waring factions look at it with an open mind. But I also hope that everybody doesn't expect this patch to solve everything. It won't. (If it does, I will be in a state of shock) As long as they continue to work on the game, hopefully, most of the stuff we want will be included.

	13-02-2002 01:21									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian I just hope that Yin and I, along with the other level-headed posters/players, will not be the only ones who review the patch with open minds.

All of us open minded people will have a fair and honest review of the patch.

As for the others who don't own the game or claim to have uninstalled it, I'm not sure what help they can be.

	13-02-2002 01:24									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I agree... I hope BOTH sides of the waring factions look at it with an open mind. But I also hope that everybody doesn't expect this patch to solve everything. It won't. (If it does, I will be in a state of shock) As long as they continue to work on the game, hopefully, most of the stuff we want will be included.

The only thing I'm expecting, based upon a credible source, is group movement. I will continue to be fair and honest in my assessment of the game and the company.

	13-02-2002 01:26									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian The only thing I'm expecting, based upon a credible source, is group movement. I will continue to be fair and honest in my assessment of the game and the company.

I hope your credible source is indeed credible. Group movement is high on my wish list. That alone would "make my day"

	13-02-2002 01:31									#17
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I believe that I'm safe in saying that my source is considered highly credible among the critics and the sycophants alike. Due to ethical considerations, I cannot divulge his or her identity.

	13-02-2002 01:37									#18
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Who stated that it would be 1.17f? That doesn't sound like major changes.

(First patch = +0.05 to BIC version, +0.09 to Game version, and +0.14 to editor version)

	13-02-2002 01:38									#19
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Thunderfall.

	13-02-2002 01:39									#20
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Ming makes a powerful point. Full-blown scenario capability and MP would silence a lot of this noise. If one didn't like it as is, then fix it yourself! Until those of us who do like it can freely say that to critics like Lib, he has a legitimate case to make.

Lib, you've been awful nice today. I like it.

	13-02-2002 01:51									#21
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Thank you. A dispassionate review of the record, however, will show that I have always been nice. My detractors were cruel.

	13-02-2002 01:54									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian Thank you. A dispassionate review of the record, however, will show that I have always been nice. My detractors were cruel.

ROTFLMFHO
It's good to have you back, man.

	13-02-2002 02:46									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian The only thing I'm expecting, based upon a credible source, is group movement. I will continue to be fair and honest in my assessment of the game and the company.

Would group movement cut back on the late game drag? If it did,,,,I'd be pretty happy.....if it doesn't, its back to the virtual battlefront of combat mission. . .

I'm really hoping you are right............

	13-02-2002 02:51									#24
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quote: Would group movement cut back on the late game drag?

It might help, but I doubt it will fix it.

	13-02-2002 03:01									#25
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They have fixed the AI try to build cities over and over again if the limit is reached problem, so it will not be as slow as before.

	13-02-2002 03:05									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Libertarian Oh, stop whining.

LOL.

	13-02-2002 03:07									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos They have fixed the AI try to build cities over and over again if the limit is reached problem, so it will not be as slow as before.

Not sure what you mean.......but I think the fact that the comp can't stack units makes for a boring end game. There is nothing worse than sitting around waiting for the comp to make its move. If this patch can fix that, I'm in, if not I'll invest my weekends into something else.

	13-02-2002 03:12									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Who stated that it would be 1.17f? That doesn't sound like major changes. (First patch = +0.05 to BIC version, +0.09 to Game version, and +0.14 to editor version)

Actually, it has more to do with the fact that the first version of this patch we submitted passed QA than the scope of the changes. If it had required fixes, the next version submitted would have been v1.18f, and so forth.

Jeff

	13-02-2002 03:17									#29
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Group movement, if combined with sensible unit activation sequencing, will greatly ameliorate endgame tedium. Of course, I hope they also fix outright bugs, such as the bizarre reconnaissance overlap/kill.

	13-02-2002 03:19									#30
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It better have specify player starting locations.