09-12-2000 21:32									#1
	Civ III and Beyond... Support Apolyton

How about, at the end of all current technologies, the game goes into the SMAC techs. We would pick up from "Hand Weapons" and continue. I think it is kinda silly to still be using a howie in 2133. This would be an option of course so no one can come yelling "I don't wanna." or "No!". The good side of this is that it continues replayability by a lot.

	09-12-2000 21:40									#2
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

So you want to give up what's left of your spare time for this game?

That's a cute idea, but there's a lot of stuff in the SMAC tech tree that we don't need. Motorized vehicles, airplanes, that kind of stuff. I say just put in the extra techs to allow FTL travel and graduate to MOO.

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Jared Lessl

	10-12-2000 10:01									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I want the Civ-3 main-game to end 2040 AD, just as Civ-2 did. However, it would be very nice if Firaxis included one of many futuristic beyond-2041 scenarios that would have end-techs like the early ones in SMAC.

Your idea is great - but, add it to a included futuristic scenario instead.

	10-12-2000 10:26									#4
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

If Civ3 comes with a research three that has a unlimited amount of slots, this would be easy to implement. Firaxis could then supply a couple of different threes, and if thats not enough you can make your own.

	10-12-2000 03:17									#5
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I dont quite understand, but about what I do, I think I like this idea. I want civ-3 to end at the year 2000, but at in much more years in between 4000 BC, and 2000 AD. Like to start off with at the year 4000 BC, one turn would be 10 years, then when it reached 1 AD, it would turn to 5 years, then at 1000 AD, the years per turn would be 2. At 15-1700 it would change to 1. Then at 19-1950 it would change to seasons, winter, spring, summer, and fall. Then at 1990, it would change to months.

I still dont quite fully know about my own idea of these turns/years, Please dont jump on me, I still dont know about this myself.

	10-12-2000 03:54									#6
	Tired of ads?

I'll be happy if the tech tree merely goes to the year 2050 in new technological developement;
however if it went to 3000 and Earth wasn't destroyed then we could have 'Cities in the Sky' (Read James Blish to understand)

	10-12-2000 11:22									#8
	Inflate your Upload Space

I'm sort of a conservative gamer. I also want Civ3 to end in the not so distant future. I mean, future techs are cool but some are WAY too out there (CTP & CTP2). I want a larger ancient and medieval period instead of a wacky future era with eco-republics and gaia controllers and what not. What do you think?

	10-12-2000 18:05									#9
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Ending the game in the near future (2000 - 2040 AD) would make it tough to give the game a viable science victory condition. Any decent Civ player will have developed all techs up to real world 2000 AD before 1500 AD, game time. What kind of science victory would be plausible with that level of technology AND be a worthwhile goal to attain? In the original Civ, players attained interstellar travel before 1900 AD!

No, Civ 3 should progress into the future by at least a couple of centuries. As far as the future techs being unrealistic, that's probably what Leif Erikson or Alexander the Great would have said about ships travelling to the moon.

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	11-12-2000 16:44									#12
	Increase Your PM Length

The questions remains: What modern scientific goal is both possible yet unattained at this time *and* worthy of ending the game with? Traveling to another planet was done in the original game, so a "Mission to Mars" ending would be repetitive.

Civ games don't need to be historically accurate. The selling point of the whole series has been to alter the course of history, after all. Scenarios with limited tech trees can be developed, but the main game should extend into the future as well as the past. It would be more difficult to build an extended tech tree for scenarios than it would be to trim all futuristic branches from a larger standard tree.

	11-12-2000 23:21									#13
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Idea: have civ 3 end when you land your first colony on mars/the moon. You win civ 3 there, and you can now play that game on 'SMAC 2' (or have some title to suggest the colonization of the solar system). When you win that one (by landing your first colony on Alpha Centary, or some other goal) then you can now play that game on MoO 2.

What do you think?