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Yin, why are you even here? You don't own the game, so you can't possibly comment on how it plays with the recent patches. (Unless, of course, you're a pirate. I certainly wouldn't put that past you.)
In either case, your opinions don't matter. You either have all the trustworthiness of a thief, or you don't play the game.
So, shut up until you buy the game and have something on which to base your views.
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notyoueither
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of naught
Aug 2001
time: 22:17
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Yin: I'm not going to buy 2 or 3 hundred dollars worth of games before I find one I like. Unlike money, I do not have the time. I like civ. I want to play civ. Civ3 is more than adequate to give me my *fix.*
XP? Maybe. What will it add?
All-in-all, what did Civ2 have that Civ3 lacks? Armies? No. Civil Wars? OK, but hardly a game breaker. A few techs? Yes however, unlike some others I do not think strategy is found in research. It's on the map, just like it has been for every general staff to this date.
What has Civ3 added? Culture. Resources. An aggressively evolving AI, thanks to designers who are paying attention to the boards. Better mechanics, thanks again to designers who are paying attention to the players. Fewer exploits, fewer loop-holes, better chance of a game that will stand the *test of time.*
Go ahead, wait for Gold. Just don't denegrate those who are in the trenches, improving the game you hope you may wish to buy. You just might be cutting off your own nose.
Salve
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:17
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hi ,
a patch to "patch" another patch , but before that you need another patch , LOL - LOL , i start "patchwork" , for my nerves
one thing is clear , civ3 aint what it should be , POINT , so , .....
why should they start to work on an XP , huh , right , to make a pâtch that needs a patch to "patch' it , i start to think that there is a lot of bla-bla , and a lot of money going in one way , but not so much "work" in the other way , and by the way , when i get a problem on a comp , i fix it , and dont wait to patch it , whenever , somewhere in the year , after knowing the fix , 3 months later
allez , have a nice day
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Nimokmai
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Alexandria, VA
Feb 2002
time: 05:17
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Finally, a chat with some meat in it.
I don't think anyone can disagree that there were some issues with the initial release of the game. All in all, they did a good job with the game (IMHO), and have fixed some of the initial issues in the patches.
Whether Yin likes it or not isn't the issue here (no offense Yin) - he can have his opinion as long as he doesn't tell me mine is wrong in liking it. Easily pleased? Eh, maybe. Its good enough to keep me entertained for some hours. Certainly not the groundbreaking game Civ was, but did we expect it to be? It's like going to see a movie. If you go into it thinking its going to be the best thing in the world (Phantom Menace - not a bad movie, but couldn't live up to expectations) then you will likely be disappointed. Its a fun game taking elements from previous games and adding to them.
The real question: is an XP worth buying?  Maybe, (not that I have ever bought one, not even for Civ II) if they make significant changes to the (still) current issues and get that darn MP going.
One question Yin, out of idle curiosity, if they had waited a year before releasing the game would you be *****ing that you wished they had released it earlier? 
Nimokmai
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jbrians
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Seattle, WA
Dec 2001
time: 05:17
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It would be best if they release one more patch that makes the editor truly useful. Then, while the mod community is extending the life of the original game, they could work on the XP with multiplayer support.
-Brian
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Technoron
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I, personally, would not place priority on tricking out the stereo in a car with flat tires....
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randomturn
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NYC US
Aug 1999
time: 05:17
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Boy, I'm moving so close to Yin I can barely tell us apart anymore. I don't mean in terms of his attitude, but rather his conclusions. I played this game for 2-3 months straight when it first came out and contributed as much to the strategy section as anyone here other than Vel. Like Vel, I really want this to be a great game.
But it isn't. It's so deeply flawed that I feel let down by Firaxis. I want them to step up and do the right thing by the fans. They need to fix and complete this game regardless of what the sales numbers justify, because it's not just about this game; it's about their reputation. Once a game developer with a reputation for making solid games releases a buggy beta like this, they forever go into the list of just another game company. Black Isle Studios was so concerned about that after they released the too-short Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter that they produced a free downloadable expansion (and it rocked). There was no doublespeak to the community. They came out straight up and said "Hey, we made a mistake. Now we're making up for it." It was lickety split, no ****. As a result, I'll keep buying every BIS game first day of release.
Civ3 is pretty darn messy: there are still omissions and bugs everywhere. Just off the top of my head, it's virtually impossible for anyone who doesn't run a search of these forums to understand something as basic diplomacy and spying. The diplomatic victory is ridiculous. The game doesn't even work on my system anymore because I uninstalled it and removed all traces of it from my computer but the installation program will not let me install it again (I only get play and reinstall options, neither of which works). There are dozens more bugs and the patches just seem to be fixing little things. Then there are major complaints with combat and corruption and play balance. The wonders are unbalanced and it really annoys me there are no wonder movies. The game tends to "force" play, as I discussed on another thread a long time ago, making games all play out kind of the same, especially at the higher levels.
And most important, this game should have been released with an editor suitable to the needs of the mod community and with multiplayer. The editor is so close to being better than Civ2's, but as it is it's alomst unusable for mods. Both the editor and MP are basic and I will not pay for them. I expect them to be added for free. If they are added in an XP, I will pirate and give Civ3 another chance. Don't talk to me about stealing either, since I bought the falsely-advertised "Collector's Edition," so I've already overpaid by $15-20. If these necessary features are not created I will do what I've been doing for the last few months -- I will not play Civ3 and will not buy other Firaxis or Infogrammes games.
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:17
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quote:
Originally posted by CapTVK
I think the reality that's beginning to set in is that Civ3 never will be 'perfect', or balanced for that matter. Civ3 wasn't properly playtested because some people (I'm refering to both parties!) wanted the game early instead of later (I remember the poll!). Now we're paying the price for that. Every patch seems to solve as much problems as it creates. Meanwhile the player is crammed further into a straight jacket with every patch.
My suggestion is dropping all the patch work and go straight for the expansion pack, or go straight for MP gold, in say 6-9 months. That should be enough time to properly balance this game. At least I hope so.
In the meantime I'll spend my time on other civ related endeavours. There are more civ-projects in the world than Civ3 alone.  |
hi , huh , well , i am sure that there are enough people who want to alfa and beta testing , huh , even for free , ahem , now , lets brainstorm on how to make it better , hmm , .......
mp gold , allas , another 50 usd , okay , its worth it , but what are they going to do , start from zip , .................
balance , well , huh , they had time , .......another 2 years and a patch , huh , who needs a patch to patch up the patch the patch that whas meant to patch the pâtch , help , i need a patch from my doc , so i can patch up myself , .............
i need something for my stomach , a patch , ...........
maybe they could start from zero , with a good team , huh , i would look for some people on this forum , and i would built a team that is not having problems with each other , like i dont like you because you a re black or you are from europe or you are gay , bla bla , just work on the game , point .
have a nice day 
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panag
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MY WORDS ARE BACKED WITH BIO-CHEMICAL WEAPONS
Oct 2000
time: 07:17
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quote:
Originally posted by planetfall
Randomturn
Uninstalled everything and now can't install on my system.
More precise statement would be you tried to uninstall but uninstall was incomplete. Presuming you are running windows check the following {not at system so don't know what you need to look for exactly, but these are the type of things to look for}
- a firaxis created directory with hidden or other files still in it
- a firaxis or civ3 *.ini file
- a fixaxis or civ3 entry in win.ini or system.ini file
- a firaxis or civ3 entry in the registry. (Careful here, backup first to floppy. Only delete firaxis or civ3 entries.). regedit.exe
- a firaxis or civ3 entry/files in temporary directory. (Probably C:\windows\temp. At DOS prompt, type `set` to find location of temporary directory).
If all else fails, a reinstall of windows will correct the problem and that should solve the problem.
topic
I think firaxis needs another patch first to solve the twin problems of tech devaluation and inadequate aircraft range. Then they need to take at least a year and work on the game play models and develop an improved game. After playing for 4 months and keeping up with the forums, it is obvious there is an enjoyment inadequacy. They need to provide a more enjoyable game for all three user types
- No mods and no editor changes user
- No mods but use editor to play scenario's user, with option of adding up to 8 generic special units. {BTW startup should allow users to select .bic file to use so we can store modeling preferences}
- Full mod support, full XP.
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hi ,
there is somewhere a locked file from infogrames , L-SANS or something , get rid of that and do a search , ya find more files , and , it could be due to the size of you BIN , deleteting 750meg aint nothing
as for the rest i agree , except one thing , time , if they want they can get it done in 90 working days , of course , ya need to hire some people , ..................... , huh , westwood or so , yeah that should do it
have a nice day
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barefootbadass
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quote:
Originally posted by Deornwulf
I think the naysayers of the naysayers are missing the point. While Civ III may be playable and to some even a 'great' game, it is to the critics a bottle of grape juice when a Merlot was expected. It may be drinkable and even taste good but it is not what was expected or MARKETED.
Civ III should have represented a giant step forward in the evolution of the genre and instead, it is going to be just another computer game.
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Civ 3 should have started at the point civ 2 was in the end, meaning having multiplayer and a robust editor to start with. It was released prematurely and frankly, since I currently don't find it that compelling(being limited practically to playing on small maps or at most standard because the game takes soooooo long really decreases my incentive to play it) I will likely not bother with an expansion. To date I have actually only played one game to completion because of that drag, and its been months since I played it seriously. Compare that to civ 2 which I would play for days on end without tiring of it(or maybe I just got tired of the genre, didn't play SMAC for very long either, although there were reasons for leaving that too).
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