16-02-2002 04:46									#1
	MAP: Lands Of Middle Earth v2 updated (standard) Tired of ads?

By Hagbart

NOTE! - MAP UPDATED, NOW OPTIMIZED FOR C3C, IT'S A FLAT MAP NOW!
Version 2.1 for Conquests released Feb 14 2004.

This map is Tolkiens Middle Earth from Lord of the Rings.
The map is made for 8 players. It is a standard sized map, to speed up the turns.
It's a flat map.
I have not made any changes to the rules or civilizations,
other than making the tundra terrain produce NO FOOD.

Suggestions/critics/feedback are welcome, just post in this thread or email me at: hagbartciv@hotmail.com

Instructions: Just put the map in the Scenario folder (Civilization III\Conquests\Scenarios) and load it as a scenario in Civ3.

Enjoy!

If anyone want to use this map in a mod/scenario, credit me in your readme.


UPDATE HISTORY:
Version 1.0 was released Feb 15 2002, 1.1 realesed shortly after.
1.0 was removed after 8 downloads
1.1 was removed after A WHOPPING! 1425 downloads.

Version 2.0 was released Aug 3 2002. The map was much improved.
2.0 removed (from this thread) after 973 downloads.
Version 2.0 for Original Civ3 is still available here tho --> Get 2.0 for Original Civ3

The 2.1 update (C3C version) was released Jan 14 2004.
Update information 2.1:
It's now a FLAT map, optimized for Civ3 Conquests. Some minor terrain updates too.

Download version 2.1 below (for Civ3 Conquests):

Attachment: lands of middle earth v2-1 for c3c.zip
This has been downloaded 335 time(s).

Last edited by Hagbart on 15-01-2004 at 21:22

	16-02-2002 04:50									#2
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Here is a view of the map (current version 2.1)...

I have posted some close-ups of Mordor and Eriador on the 2. page of this thread, take a look at them!

Attachment: minimap21.jpg
This has been downloaded 276 time(s).

Last edited by Hagbart on 15-01-2004 at 03:19

	16-02-2002 14:52									#3
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Nice lol, but how will you make the units for tolkien's world?
It wont be easy.

	16-02-2002 16:20									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Mortifer Nice lol, but how will you make the units for tolkien's world? It wont be easy.

Thank you. I probably wont make any units or other art, its not my biggest talent , and I dont have the patience to do it.
But if other wants to make units/other stuff they are more than welcome!

	17-02-2002 14:00									#5
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Heheheheheh

	21-02-2002 01:06									#6
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Any comments? hallo

	21-02-2002 01:36									#7
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Its brilliant
But... only Harlan has ever pulled off a LotR scenario for any civ game, so don't be surprised if its never used beyond normal gaming.

	22-02-2002 04:56									#8
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Hi

Why can't I edit the rules ? Strange ... I can for other maps, but for this one the link is grey...

Why for ?

	22-02-2002 06:14									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Arachno Hi Why can't I edit the rules ? Strange ... I can for other maps, but for this one the link is grey... Why for ?

There are no rules in the file. You have to deselect Use default rules from the tools menu in the editor.

	22-02-2002 14:50									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Its brilliant But... only Harlan has ever pulled off a LotR scenario for any civ game, so don't be surprised if its never used beyond normal gaming.

Yeah, I know Harlan's LOTR civ2 scenario it's fantastic. This map is made for normal gaming, I know it's very hard to make a hole scenario (especially LOTR).

	22-02-2002 14:52									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos There are no rules in the file. You have to deselect Use default rules from the tools menu in the editor.

TO Arachno: Hi thanks for trying the map out. I dont know if you can edit the rules, if I need to make a change to the map to make it possible I will do it.

But is it needed? , what shall I do? What do you meen Gramphos?

	23-02-2002 02:25									#12
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Gramphos got it right ... silly me

Thanks for helping me out ...

Awesome map, by the way ! I wanted to make one since I got the game but never found the courage so,

	26-02-2002 02:04									#13
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This thread should be moved to the files section

	26-02-2002 02:36									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart This thread should be moved to the files section

Quite well observed. The only problem is that we currently have no database mannager, who can handle sush things. And Markos Doesn't seem to want to get a new one...

	26-02-2002 04:56									#15
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By the way, I just set the research cost of "un-medieval" techs to something like 9999999 :-) With some other stuff, it's ALOST like a medieval mod

	06-03-2002 20:48									#16
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Thank you Gramphos for moving it to the files section.
Congrats on you being selected as the new file-manager

	06-03-2002 23:07									#17
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Well done. Is pretty

	06-03-2002 23:11									#18
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Sorry, double-post.

	06-03-2002 23:11									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Its brilliant But... only Harlan has ever pulled off a LotR scenario for any civ game, so don't be surprised if its never used beyond normal gaming.

Well, my scenario wasn't LotR, but it *was* Tolkien (based on the Silmarillion, the early history of Middle-earth). I was never able to get Apolyton to link to it. . . they are very picky about linking rather than hosting themselves (I assume, considering they never responded to emails)

Anyways, it's a Civ2 scenario so I guess there won't be much interest. But it used to get rave reviews. . . if I do say so myself.

J.R.R. Tolkien's Dagor Bragollach: The Battle of Sudden Flame

http://www.dor-lomin.com/dagor.html

Best Regards,

Hurin

	06-03-2002 23:24									#20
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Wow, sorry Hurin, I had no idea this scenario existed. From the looks of the site (brilliant site too ) it looks impressive, though alas I have been unable to run Civ2 for a while, so I cannot play it

*sigh*

Oh, and I think you are only the second "settler" I have seen who is shown registered in 1970 That is an impressive restraint on posting

	08-03-2002 00:59									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Mortifer Nice lol, but how will you make the units for tolkien's world? It wontbe easy.

I just got done downloadind the map i will try it later it looks like alot of fun

	08-03-2002 23:20									#22
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quote: [SIZE=1]Oh, and I think you are only the second "settler" I have seen who is shown registered in 1970 That is an impressive restraint on posting

Yeah, that's even freakier considering that's 4 years before I was born.

H

	09-03-2002 00:46									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat Oh, and I think you are only the second "settler" I have seen who is shown registered in 1970 That is an impressive restraint on posting

Maybe Hurin has a special arrangement with the admins ... like a certain Prince ...

	10-03-2002 02:18									#24
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Thought this was interesting:

On my game on this map, I'm playing in the shire area as the Babylonians with the Germans in Mordor. It is the Middle Ages and the Germans recently declared war on me. I got the entire world to declare war on the Germans. Now Mordor is trying to conquer the world. Sounds familiar . . .

	10-03-2002 15:54									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Trevman Thought this was interesting: On my game on this map, I'm playing in the shire area as the Babylonians with the Germans in Mordor. It is the Middle Ages and the Germans recently declared war on me. I got the entire world to declare war on the Germans. Now Mordor is trying to conquer the world. Sounds familiar . . .

Hehe that was funny.
So, how do you like the amount of resources on the map? Is it too much or too little, or just the right amount?

Please tell me if you think some changes are needed

By the way: woohoo 500 downloads on Apolyton
+ woohoo 900 downloads on Civfanatics

	11-03-2002 02:02									#26
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Actually, I think that the resources are a bit on the high side. I mean like, what am I going to do with 7 wines? It makes expansion really fast and easy. If this is what you want then this is fine, its still a very fun map.
However, strategic resources are about average.

P.S. If tobacco was a resource then the Shire should be covered with it!

	11-03-2002 20:40									#27
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Maybe 7 wines in the Shire area is alot, but in the rest of the world wine is very rare, so the very fine Shire-wine is highly requested in the entire world. Same with the other resources of course.

hehe, my sig works

	14-03-2002 22:50									#28
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woohoo 1100 downloads!!

Last edited by Hagbart on 09-04-2002 at 18:25

	15-03-2002 21:43									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Hagbart Maybe 7 wines in the Shire area is alot, but in the rest of the world wine is very rare, so the very fine Shire-wine is highly requested in the entire world.

Dorwinion wines were very potent, check out the Hobbit and the Wood Elves.

I am not sure where you found out that wine is so rare in the rest of the world, though. In my numerous readings of Tolkien and LotR/Middle Earth, I have never come across this information. I will reread some things to be sure, but I recall Dwarves would love good drink, whether wine or ale or beer. Humans love wine also.

I am currently using your map for a game I am playing.

	16-03-2002 07:29									#30
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Well, the war against Mordor was disappointing. I took the long sea route to Mordor to be more realistic. By the time my troops landed, the Germans had lost their outlying cities and pleaded for peace with everyone except me. I took a few cities and then accepted peace. The supply line was too long to keep up the war on my own. Still, I was able to push the Germans back over their mountains.