10-12-2000 20:07									#1
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People have discussed starting as nomadic tribes. I suggest starting as a "nomads" unit. As you forage around, you occasionally will gain techs like "fire," "clubs" and "basic tools". Also, tribes will have pop numbers and will split after 10(tentative). After 4000 BC, if you have the right techs, you will be allowed to turn one or all of your nomad units into villages, from which you would have to research roads, irrigation and mining. Also, settlers shouldn't be able to farm-they should just build cities. Maybe "workers" would irrigate and build roads

	11-12-2000 10:39									#2
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In My Complete Technology Tree I allow nomads to settle in villages upon the discovery of Agriculture.

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	10-12-2000 23:49									#3
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I think your tech tree, at least the part that is pre civ2, would perfectly fir in with what I am talking about. Finish the construction!

	11-12-2000 04:05									#4
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The nomadic idea is good, but here are some modifications.
You should start with 1 nomads unit. It should move automaticaly to show that it is following the supply of food. When you reach a good site, a message will appear saying that the people have found a good place to settle. All of your nomads would form a single village. Also, while the nomads are wandering you should be able to aquire more nomads at random. Nomadic techs would all be survival based such as fire or spears.

	11-12-2000 23:58									#6
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THis is an interesting idea, Ribb is right though, without agriculture, a village would not survive.

	12-12-2000 00:58									#7
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Ribb - I love your tech tree good job. i like the nomda concept. what year would your civ start - probably around 10,000bc.

	12-12-2000 06:54									#9
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10,000 is good. Also, if there is weather, maybe there can be something preventing you from learning agriculture/village tech during the Ice Age. If you are in the higher lats, this will take longer than in the lower lats.

Another idea concerning nomads-after the 4th turn, what the three boxes farthest away that you explored will disappear. In other words, a nomad unit (you may have multiple) can only see what they have discovered within the last 4 turns

	12-12-2000 08:25									#11
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This is an enlightened idea that has produced a good discussion but here's THE QUESTION: How does this idea make the game more fun? I'm assuming you would be 'nomadding' around for only a few turns then you would eventually want to settle to play the actual game. And what's the difference between this and what civ has now? You begin with a settler, you found a city, and within a few turns you have units for exploration. Everything seems good here. My point you ask? My point is WHY FIX SOMETHING THAT ISN'T BROKEN???

	13-12-2000 07:05									#13
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The reason I am opposed to a tribal start is even though it is the 'beginning' of a civilization, it is still not a 'CIVILIZATION'

The name of this game is Civilization, not the Rise and Rule of Empires.

	14-12-2000 18:17									#14
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I propose a change of name, then.
Let's call Civ3 "Tribes Forever"

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	14-12-2000 20:37									#15
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Like the mooted settle-the-solar-system endgame, I like the concept of starting nomadic but I don't see it fitting well within the Civ structure. Your first settler/city is thousands of people. A game of pre-history needs to deal on a scale of small tribal units of less than 50 people initially, dealing with the dangers of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. One grassland or plains tile is probably ample roaming ground for their entire lives.

The timescale would need to be slow to appreciate their lives but fast to achieve scientific breakthroughs. It could certainly be made into a great game but I can't see it merging seamlessly into the start of Civ. Multiplayer would make the diverging scales worse if one got an early start at settling.