28-09-2000 17:43									#1
	Do AI's ever subvert cities? Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Hi all. I've been playing Civ (ToT) for about two months now (yes, almost constantly), and find the practice of paying to subvert enemy cities an essential part of my game. But the AI's don't ever seem to bother with it, even when they've got great heaping wads of cash; they'll waste units worth thousands in gold attacking a well-fortified city, but they won't send in a lousy spy and buy the place. Is this an advantage for the human player, or have I just been lucky? (Oh, and sorry if this has already been asked and answered; I only just discovered this splendid site.)

	28-09-2000 18:27									#2
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Dear Groucho fan

It depends on a few things:

- what level of the game you are playing (at Deity the AI certainly bribes the human player's cities)
- how much money you have got (if loads, then the cost of subverting increases)
- what government you are in
- whether you have built courthouses (which double the price)

You should try the Strategy thread for loads of tips.

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	28-09-2000 18:39									#3
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The AI will incite revolts - i've gotten quite a few travellers reports about them doing so. Since I play with representative governments most of the game and go to democracy fairly early and tend to bribe AI diplomats whenever I see them, I don't usually have it happen to me. I did have the AI bribe a city of mine in a senario where I was stuck in monarchy once, though. As for subverting vs simply inciting revolts, since the AI don't seem to have any penalties attached to that like we humans do, I doubt they actually spend the extra gold.

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	28-09-2000 20:08									#4
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Welcome to Apolyton, Rufus. It is a splendid site, isn't it?

The AI is always (it seems) trying to bribe my cities. Much too successfully for my own liking, I might add. But maybe there's another aspect to your question. Has anyone ever seen an AI tribe bribe another AI tribe? I'm not sure if I've ever seen that occur. I have seen it fight and take a city by force but as for seeing a diplomat/spy walk in and bribe... can't say as I've ever seen that.

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	28-09-2000 22:36									#5
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As i said in the post above, I've seen the AI bribe a lot of other AI cities. Most recently was in OCC 12 - the English conquered virtually every non-capitol in the world, quite a few by bribing. I watched several English spies circle my city before bribing other cities nearby, including 1 that i was sending a gold freight to. Also got quite a few travellers reports of Roman influence suspected in other AI city revolts in OCC 3. Again, i don't know for sure whether they subvert or incite revolts, but I do know that I've seen quite a few AI cities change hands at the hands of other AI check writers.

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	28-09-2000 23:16									#6
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King level or lower the ai will only bribe units.Emperor and deity it will buy cities.Not with any regularity though.

	28-09-2000 23:29									#7
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the scenario where the AI bribed my city was played on King level (i have a tendancy to take the suggested level on scenarios when I'm browsing). As that was the only time i can ever remember the AI bribing anything of mine (again, because I tend to play democracy pretty exclusively, my experiences are limited)

	29-09-2000 05:29									#9
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weren't a few people getting bribed in DaveV's "late start" challenge game over on the strat forum?

	29-09-2000 13:36									#10
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Thanks everybody! Based on what's been said, I'll assume I escape city bribery (when I'm not a democracy) because I'm playing at a lower level (Warlord). I'll watch out for it as I advance!

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	29-09-2000 15:33									#11
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the AI does bribe at kings level
happened to me last night

question: shouldn't a spy (veteran) prevent this?

	29-09-2000 16:51									#12
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nope - just make it (fractionally) less likely to succeed - I have thwarted attempts at subversion before but about as often as I've seen hen's teeth!


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