19-02-2002 06:49									#1
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I really liked finding out about the other Apolyton posters, and i really want to see this feature brought back!

please please please guys?

	19-02-2002 09:17									#2
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You might be out of luck.

Basically the credibility of this series was destroyed when they refused to release the interview Bugs did with Horsie

	19-02-2002 11:50									#3
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That one would have been funny!! Should release it anyway!!


On a more serious note, I too would like another entry to the Apolyton posters feature... would be interesting and entertaining, and generally a good idea.

	19-02-2002 12:22									#4
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wasn't that interview released on ACOL and then posted in the OT?

	19-02-2002 12:30									#5
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard wasn't that interview released on ACOL and then posted in the OT?

yeah, and AH raised a huge stink about it claiming it was a violation of copyright laws or something last time i remember a good horse troll. and that was MONTHS ago

	19-02-2002 20:29									#6
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To be honest, your best chance of seeing the interview you want is to do it yourself. "Faces" was slow-moving (about one a month) and subject to editorial control. Why not just select a victim and sling it up on OT?

Be warned- the one time I tried it, it resulted in MarkG getting banned on ACOL. You'd be amazed at the unforeseen hassle it can cause.

	19-02-2002 20:41									#7
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contact solver and beg him to continue

	19-02-2002 21:43									#8
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG contact solver and beg him to continue

Contacted... Markos, where's your ICQ? I need you, really, need.

	19-02-2002 23:20									#9
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Bugs, you're not going to tell us your side of the story? It sounds interesting.

	19-02-2002 23:24									#10
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Natan: I guess so . The story was real interesting .

	20-02-2002 02:43									#11
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Oh, it was bizarre. Come sit on Uncle Bugs's knee and he'll tell you the story.

Solver's "Faces of Apolyton" was proving popular with many people, but not with me (I thought it was mutual ego-fondling). However there were calls for one to be done on an OT regular, and AH was proving a popular suggestion. However Solver refused to interview him- I'm not going to speculate on their "history" but there may have been some disagreements. He said that AH would be unsuitable and that he (Solver) would never conduct such an interview.

This is where I come in, misguided plonker that I am. I offered to interview AH, on the grounds that between us we could make a highly readable piece that would be far more irreverant than the other features. I pictured a good mix of Civ and Apolyton issues coupled with a fair amount of abuse flying in both directions. AH was up for it too.

I had to work bloody hard to get "the powers that be" to even consider it. Having got that far, I did the interview with AH and submitted it. At first, Markos and Solver seemed to be considering it, and we started discussing the editing required to make it acceptable (ie- ditch the wife-beating accusation levelled at AH and the more libellous parts about Messrs Meier and Reynolds). Then Solver and Markos started to go off the idea. I suggested they discuss it with AH, but by this point I was busy at work and getting increasingly arsed off with the whole business. I ended my dealings with Markos by giving him my blessing to publish it in whatever form and forum he chose, edited as he wished.

As far as I was concerned, the matter was finished. However AH insisted that he didn't want the interview published unless it was (1) Unexpurgated, and (2) an official "Faces of Apolyton" interview. When that didn't appear likely, he published the unedited article in full on ACOL, as "The interview they don't want you to see". On seeing this, Markos also published the copy I had sent him, unedited and in full, but on the OT rather than a "Faces..." interview. I wasn't bothered by either publication- I'd given Markos the go-ahead previously, and I wasn't about to deny AH his moment of glory (I probably couldn't have done so even if I'd wanted to) . In fact, I thought this was an "everyone wins" situation. How wrong I was.....

AH went slightly ballistic, saying that Markos had no right to publish the interview in an unapproved format. I stayed out of the argument initially, but then it all got strange. At that time, relations between Poly and ACOL were at an all-time low. MtG had been banned for (of all things...) disputing the history of ACOL, there was persistant trolling in both directions and a siege mentality was setting in. AnnC reeeeeaaaaalllyy wasn't getting on very well with Markos at this point, and she suddenly got interested in the interview, stating that stealing and reprinting material from ACOL (without permission) was a breach of membership conditions.

Now I'd always tried to stay out of the Poly/Acol crap. I'm an old alpha.owo poster, and even though I spent more time at Poly, I had a lot of friends at ACOL and I liked the place. However I wasn't going to stay out of this. I informed AnnC that I was the instigator and author of the thread, and that I had authorised Markos to print the interview in the format of his choice. Nothing had been copied from ACOL- the interview had been with Markos over a week before it appeared on ACOL. AnnC's argument was unfounded. Case closed, to coin a Ming-ism (Mingapropism?).

AnnC wasn't having any of it, however. I think it would be fair to say that she'd been wanting to ban Markos for some time, and wasn't about to let this drop. In a highly strained re-interpretation of the principles of intellectual property she ruled that the wishes of AH, as the subject of the interview, took precedence over mine, as the creator and author of the interview. And banned Markos. The silence was only broken by the sound of my jaw hitting the floor in astonishment.

It's about average by my standards. I attempt to write things that will entertain users of this site and what happens? Site admin get banned, people get cross and shouty, servers crash under the weight of marauding Finns, the unfaithful are cast into lakes of burning sulphur, etc......

	20-02-2002 03:09									#12
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Goddess Ate would be proud of you Bugs.

	20-02-2002 04:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny It's about average by my standards. I attempt to write things that will entertain users of this site and what happens? Site admin get banned, people get cross and shouty, servers crash under the weight of marauding Finns, the unfaithful are cast into lakes of burning sulphur, etc......

Do you have any that aren't average? It'd be kind of funny to see Ming banned from FFZ or something like that. The dueling mods...

	20-02-2002 05:24									#14
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But at least you can look back at it now and laugh

...or can we

It seemed to be one of the causes, or perhaps a symptom, of the demise of ACOL. Now I frequent Counterglow on a regular basis, so all seems to be well now.

	20-02-2002 05:45									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny Solver refused to interview him- I'm not going to speculate on their "history" but there may have been some disagreements. He said that AH would be unsuitable and that he (Solver) would never conduct such an interview.

There wasn't any "history" at all until he launched into this unprovoked tirade about my unsuitability. He was bashed senseless by a range of posters as a result and his reputation on the site crashed and burned. I think that was why he put obstacles up to the publication of the interview - in Solver we are talking about a poster who was hugely diminished in the eyes of other posters, particularly from the OT, by the whole saga. He seemed to regard OT posters as a lower form of life.

	20-02-2002 08:15									#16
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well as far as the politics concerning AH's interview go i'm neutral, it's a shame that things got to that level, and i hope it doesn't happen again if the FoA starts back up

i just enjoy reading them and finding out new things about other segments of Apolyton, i am mostly in the Civ3 section so there is alot of people i don't hardly know at all, eventhough i've been here since they shut down the owo forums

so i hope it gets back on track

	20-02-2002 09:38									#17
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quote: Markos, where's your ICQ? I need you, really, need.

I knew it!!

Ugh, I remember that AH/Bugs thing. A troll that just had a shitload of unintended consequences. Ted Striker (Derek) had his own interviews, one with me and one with Provost Harrison (there might have been a third I forgot), but that ended.

	20-02-2002 09:51									#18
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The strange thing was Bugs and I walked away from it at an early stage, Bugs first and then me. But it went on to pretty much knacker ACOL.

	20-02-2002 14:17									#19
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Had it been at all planned, it would have been the greatest troll of all time.

"Light blue touch paper, then retreat to a safe distance."

	20-02-2002 14:31									#20
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All intersted guys can even look here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...;threadid=42858