15-12-2000 01:17									#1
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Here a lost o' wonders I would like to see in civ3:
Note: I dont know what all of these should do yet.

1. Taj Mahal
2. Temple Square
3. The Internet
4. Colosseum
5. The Pentagon
6. The Kremlin
7. Empire State Building
8. Hollywood
9. The Opera House
10. Sistiene chapel (michaelangelos chapel)
11. Golden Gate Bridge
12. The Berlin Wall
13. The Parthanon
14. Washington Monument
15. World Trade Center
16. The Olympics

Now heres some new city improvements:

1. Grocery Store (Supermarket)
2. Government Building
3. Water Conservation
4. Sea Port (port facility)
5. Department Stores
6. Restraunts
7. PARKS!!!
8. Smaller Monuments
9. Business Buildings
10. Warehouses (manufacturing plant)

	15-12-2000 01:33									#2
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Dont forget these cumulative health-related improvements:

- Bathhouse
- Pharmacy
- Hospital

Already existing health-related improvements is:

- Granary
- Aqueduct
- Sewer-systems


I keep my thumbs crossed for the health-parameter. The basic idea is that full health means that the foods-, shields-, coins- and lightbulbes-production continues problem-free, like in Civ-2. Beneath full health means that all those four areas suffers gradually and accordingly.

	15-12-2000 02:19									#3
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Diablo, you said we (settlers) repeat ideas? Many of those wonders were mentioned in the list

	15-12-2000 02:22									#4
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I tend to think wonders should not exist in Civ 3 or at least they shouldn't be first come/only serve. Wonders make for good game play, but to me don't represent reality. Why should one civ learn a civwide advance that no other civ can learn once they've learned it. If anything it's just the opposite in real life, once a civ learns something, ie womans sufferage, cure for cancer, or anything for that matter, it is MORE LIKELY to be copied by other societies. I guess I'm not against wonders I just don't think they should be first come/only serve but they should be first come/first serve. another problem with wonders as they are now is, they tend to turn the game into a wonder race as opposed to civ building. i'm sure people r gonna say thats part of civ building but i don't agree

	17-12-2000 02:21									#6
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although it's true that you settlers often repeat things: so do we all sometimes and it's ok, as old discussions are brought back to our minds.

btw, i'm partially healed from OT corruption. hi again everyone!

	17-12-2000 05:54									#7
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Maybe some of the following would be nice additions.
Ziggurat
St Sophia
Illiad
Oddesey
Hanging Gardens
Eden Project- Future wonder from CtP, destroys all major polluting cities.

	17-12-2000 07:33									#8
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The Eden Project was a horrible wonder! Please Firaxis, don't include those wacky fantasy 'way-out-there' wonders like CTP did. I don't want any freaky alien DNA projects and mind controlling devices and sh*t like that. Give me the good ol' Pyramids and Apollo Program-type wonders. You know, wonders with substance behind them.
[This message has been edited by Tical_2000 (edited December 16, 2000).]

	18-12-2000 10:22									#10
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well said Tical and Ralf . Check out my posts/idea on DarkCloud's wonder thread. I was a bit harsh I guess...but it needed to be said!

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