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roadcage
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Minneapolis Kansas
Nov 2001
time: 23:17
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I have searched the strategy thread titles for pollution and amazingly found none. So humbly I leap into the breach.
The Civ3 pollution model is quite different from Civ2.
In Civ2, pollution = f2(shields, pop, tech)
In Civ3, pollution = f3(facilities, pop, tech)
Civ3 facilities include factory, ironworks, coal power, nuke power, mfg plant
(but not hydro or solar)
In Civ2, if your city started polluting a lot, you could move the workers around so as to produce less shields and thus lower pollution. This does not appear possible in Civ3. I guess you could sell a factory, but.....
In Civ2, city downsizing (settler production) would lower both shields and pop terms of the pollution model. In Civ3, downsizing (settler or worker production) has no impact on facilities, and only impacts the pop term if over the pop threshold. The threshold appears to be size 12 during the industrial age.
OTOH, cleanup appears easier in Civ3. I mean you do have a ton of captured workers, don't you? If not you have simply not been agressive in your warfare! I bet the AI's even like you! I beeline in industrial age to replaceable parts to speed up worker rates. This means that pollution starts after my emergency skeleton railoroad system is in place, and I still have skads of slave workers engaged with completion of bulk infrastructure. Thus, pollution cleanup simply diverts some of the slaves from otherwise useful infrastructure tasks. What ever you do, be sure to stack your slaves as high as required to finish most improvements in one turn. This is to ensure a goodly supply available next turn. (Just in case several tiles get polluted.) The obvious exception is clearing jungle. I start jungle clearing squares in pairs with each tile getting 2x the simple road task. This occupies the workers for 6 turns (1 to move in, 4 to clear, and another move for half the workers to road. The other half join up on one of the tiles to mine or railroad as desired). This is a tradeoff between lost worker turns for the move in and duration of commitment. Now if the jungle square already has a road, you can move in enough to finnish in one go just like other squares.
Needless to say, automated workers are a joke! You simply must be prepared to micromanage this!
Global warming is also different. In Civ2 the onset was usually delayed, but once started, the results were rapid and catistrophic. In Civ3 global warming starts much earlier but does not accelerate as rapidly. I have not yet experienced runaway global warming in any game of Civ3, but this may be due to suffering so badly a time or two in Civ1 and Civ2. (My approach to pollution abatement is tempered by those experiences.)
Conclusions: Civ3 produces more pollution in early industrial age, and about all that is doable is deferring factories (facilities) and hospitals (pop). Cleanup is easier provided you have the captured workers to exploit.
Anybody have pollution/global warming experiences they want to share?
roadcage
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Skanky Burns
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Skanky Bastard Quartermaster
Aug 2001
time: 14:17
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I tried a few games where I didnt build factories or hospitals until I had discovered recycling and built mass-transit and recycling centers in all my cities. That strategy isn't viable as you have much less money due to lower population, much less production due to no factories, and still get some pollution anyway.
My strategy is to basically ignore pollution, build whatever you need in cities (factories, airports, etc) and clean pollution up as it happens. After I have built all my railways and every tile is improved, I set all my workers to pollution duty (shift-A), so they either sit in my city or are cleaning pollution. One less thing to worry about.
I research ecology and recycling fairly soon upon entering the modern age, and start building the buildings after all production-enhancing ones are complete. Once these buildings are in place, you will not have much pollution problems at all. Each city will be producing only 2 tons of pollution, IIRC giving you a 2% chance of pollution appearing on a tile outside your city.
You will get a few tiles converted by global warming, but these things happen. The only real defence against this is building forests which are destroyed by global warming rather than downgrading the tile underneath (ie: grassland -> plains). Unless you are in trunda, however, it would not be cost-effective to put forests everywhere.
Last edited by Skanky Burns on 19-02-2002 at 16:28
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:17
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I don't think forests have any effect on global warming, but Skanky's right about forests preventing damage to underlying terrain if global warming strikes that tile. The problem is, however, that you can't predict which tile will be impacted by global warming, and forests aren't too valueable post-railroad.
Personally, I beeline for industrialization and build factories asap. I usually pick up sanitation from the Theory of Evolution (having deliberately bypassed it), and I will, with some reluctance, begin building hospitals then. In the Modern Age, ecology and recycling are high on my priority list (computers first, though).
Now that Firaxis fixed the pollution cleaning automation bug (no more than 2 workers per tile when using "shift+p" has supposedly been fixed... I haven't had a chance to play with the patch yet), I'm a much happier civver.
-Arrian
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Arrian
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Kneel before Grog!
Jul 2001
time: 00:17
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Well, Shift + P is still useful.
Shift + A is nice and all, but only after every single square in your borders is railroaded and mined or irrigated. Yes, your workers will prioritize pollution cleanup, but they will also scramble about building all that stuff on squares you will never use. And here's the really annoying part: if you have a city that is seperated from your main empire by an AI civ, your workers will make like the AI's - they will ignore the border, and charge across so they can improve your outpost city.
I had to click on all of my workers as they violated the Iroquois border repeatedly. Eventually, I de-automated them all so as to avoid that. Hiawatha demanded that they leave every time, and I didn't want to fight him yet. Later on, this wasn't an issue, as I owned the entire continent.
-Arrian
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Willem
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Canada
Dec 2001
time: 00:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Arrian
Well, Shift + P is still useful.
Shift + A is nice and all, but only after every single square in your borders is railroaded and mined or irrigated. Yes, your workers will prioritize pollution cleanup, but they will also scramble about building all that stuff on squares you will never use. And here's the really annoying part: if you have a city that is seperated from your main empire by an AI civ, your workers will make like the AI's - they will ignore the border, and charge across so they can improve your outpost city.
I had to click on all of my workers as they violated the Iroquois border repeatedly. Eventually, I de-automated them all so as to avoid that. Hiawatha demanded that they leave every time, and I didn't want to fight him yet. Later on, this wasn't an issue, as I owned the entire continent.
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Then try this one:
ctrl+shift+'i' = Improve Nearest City Without Altering Improvements.
That should keep them within the city you select.
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19-02-2002 08:55
Now I know why I have to manually clean up those pollutions.
I always have a lot of workers in all my game (at least 120 workers) and I wish I could automatically clean up all pollution in one turn as before the patch.
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