21-02-2002 10:36									#1
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It does seem silly if there are only two players involved. Wouldn't it be much easier to use an instant messenger?

On the other hand, if there are a whole bunch of players at least the thread doesn't look like some kind of private conversation.

	21-02-2002 10:51									#2
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Well, I think that regardless of the no. of players, as long as there's an actual game and it's in the right forum, it's no problem. Besides, why use an IM when you can up your post count?

	21-02-2002 10:55									#3
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I thought setting up games was one of the basic purposes of the multiplayer forums. Am I wrong here?

	21-02-2002 11:16									#4
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He's referring to the FG-Jon Miller exchange on the Other games forum. Osweld burst in and yelled at them for not doing this via PM or IM. There's a related thread on this forum where Ming sides with FG.

	21-02-2002 11:18									#5
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WTH was Oswald doing spamming the game thread, trying to get some sort of reputation?

	21-02-2002 19:00									#6
	Put an end to popups!

Everybody doesn't share the same "instant comm" software. Many people only have one of the basic packages loaded. Also, some people have problems with ICQ.

These boards were being used to set up MP games long before the instant comm packages were common. I see no reason why these forums shouldn't continue to be used to do just that.

However, if somebody does appear to be abusing it for the sole purpose of jacking up their post count, then they will be dealt with.

	21-02-2002 19:51									#7
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Sorry Ming but I agree with Oswald and UR. When only 2 players are involved, they should use either an IM, PM or common e-mail.

When I arranged a MOO2 game with Sencho, I started using PM. Then I got his e-mail by visiting his Home page, and started using it. He didn't have his ICQ working, but no one saw anything on the forums about this game! That's because it's just a game between 2 persons, a game that I wouldn't have to specify details to several persons. If I would be playing with 3 or more, then that would be justifyable to use the forums, so that everyone gets what I write, and I wouldn't have to repeat myself. But in this case, it's just 2 persons playing a game!
And trust me, If we used the forums rather than our PMs and e-mails, we would have spammed a lot more than Fadded Glory and Jon Miller spammed!

And I think we all prefer discretion to spam!

	21-02-2002 20:00									#8
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You are welcome to your opinion, but I will continue to disagree.

As I said, if it looks like it is being abused, action will be taken.

However, this is a gaming site... and to even think that these forums "shouldn't" be used to set up MP games is just plain silly.

We had two gamers playing a game, and some rude person just breaks in, and claims THEY are spamming. Well as I see it, they weren't the spammers

Keep on Civin'

	21-02-2002 20:35									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot If we used the forums rather than our PMs and e-mails, we would have spammed a lot more than Fadded Glory and Jon Miller spammed!

That's why it's ok that they did it but would be wrong if you did it. Does it makes sense now?

RAH

	21-02-2002 22:31									#10
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This is a game site isn't it?

Those guys were first attempting to set up a game, then playing it.

The other guy was just being a smartass, he had no buisiness telling people how to set up and play thier games.

In fact, I still use the forums here for that on occausion, not just the MP forum, but others as well.

It looked more to me that the budinsky had personal issues with Stevirino and Miller, that's why the stink.

	21-02-2002 22:38									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Ming You are welcome to your opinion, but I will continue to disagree. As I said, if it looks like it is being abused, action will be taken. However, this is a gaming site... and to even think that these forums "shouldn't" be used to set up MP games is just plain silly. We had two gamers playing a game, and some rude person just breaks in, and claims THEY are spamming. Well as I see it, they weren't the spammers Keep on Civin'

I'm not saying Oswald should be rude, but the fact is both FG and Miller did abuse the forum! If you read the thread in question you will surely understand that most of the posts are "void", and are basically just comments about how the game is going; "Hah! Gotcha this time!" - "Yeah, I was stronger, but you used the artillery better!" - and such.

Setting MP games is one of this forums' core activities. But that kind of dialogue we have been discussing about certainly is not! Thank God!



RAH, absolutely!

	21-02-2002 22:50									#12
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For the record, I was not the one who made a big fuss about that - All I did was say that it's spam, and FG got mad at me for posting in his private thread - he is the one who made another post about it, and complained to the mods, not I.

	21-02-2002 23:29									#13
	Bloody hell Got spare money?

So Jon Miller and FG added a few posts to their post counts. If they get their complimentery "Emperor" cupcake before I do, more power to them. They weren't harming anybody as far as I could tell, especially since the Other Games thread has such a low traffic volume. Besides, they'd originally tried to set up their game through the OT forum IIRC (before Ming told them to set it up elsewhere), so it's nuts to accuse them of starting their thread for the sole purpose of jacking up their post count.

If such things become a common occurrence, then I say start a sticky "Set up your MP games here" thread in the Other Games forum, so as to limit it to a single thread. I doubt that this will become a common occurrence, though; it seems that most people who set up MP games through Apolyton do so in Civ or CtP, and have their own forums in which to take care of business.

	21-02-2002 23:43									#14
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I'm finding it amazing how some people just don't realize that we're talking about *only* 2 players! It's, as UR said, plain silly!

If you just don't get it, fine!

edit: It just occured to me now. IF one of them was posting that he wanted to start an MP game, and was inviting the community, and just one answered to the invitation, I would understand that. They would then set it up, clear doubts about some concepts, and start it. I'm really ok with this!

But if you really think that what was posted by these 2 members was not spam covered by "a game", then I really am surprised how naive some persons are!

Last edited by Zealot on 21-02-2002 at 23:57

	21-02-2002 23:46									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot I'm finding it amazing how some people just don't realize that we're talking about *only* 2 players! It's, as UR said, plain silly!

"Silly" doesn't play into it yet. Some people just don't realize that we're talking about *only* 1 thread.

If you just don't get it, fine!

	21-02-2002 23:53									#16
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I think you guys should serouisly Mind your own business. Ok I do not have time to reply to these.....cause i am at home eating lunch. But ill give it a shot.

quote: For the record, I was not the one who made a big fuss about that - All I did was say that it's spam, and FG got mad at me for posting in his private thread - he is the one who made another post about it, and complained to the mods, not I.

If anybody was spamming it was you. You came in and disrupted somthing that was going on. Ok, maybe you thought it was spam. It wasnt, we were setting up a legit game. I think you only did cause you had a bone to pick with me..

quote: It does seem silly if there are only two players involved. Wouldn't it be much easier to use an instant messenger?

First of all, I wasnt about to spend 2 hours dling ICQ. Ok...so I used the forum It was legit...there was nothing spamworthy about that thread! If you or Osweld dont like it, Dont go in it. Its not your or Oswelds job to moderate, Thats for the mods there.

quote: This is a game site isn't it?

Amen! If only more people came on here to not **** around in OT, but play games...it would be a better site. As you said, it is a god dam game site. So why the fuss?



And finally...the moderaters are backing me. And they are the last word...they enforce these rules. I wont be making a million of these threads now. I have since Dl/ed ICQ and will set up Sp3 games with JM on there, henceforth.


Also, The complaints against me are upsurd, as Ming pointed out.

	22-02-2002 00:04									#17
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Its not your or Oswelds job to moderate.

I wasn't trying to moderate - I was just telling you what I thought of the thread. I do it, you do it, and everyone else does it all the time. Heck, yesterday I believe you did the "post before deletia" thing in another thread, yourself.

I wasn't the one who complained about it in a new thread, or tried to get the attention of a moderator.

	22-02-2002 00:15									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Zealot I'm finding it amazing how some people just don't realize that we're talking about *only* 2 players! It's, as UR said, plain silly!

And I find it amazing that you find it silly. Two people wanted to set up a game... and play it. They posted some comments back and forth to each other... adding enjoyment to their game.
And somebody is silly enough to post in the thread that THEY are spamming...

quote: If you just don't get it, fine!

Obviously, you don't get it.

quote: edit: It just occured to me now. IF one of them was posting that he wanted to start an MP game, and was inviting the community, and just one answered to the invitation, I would understand that. They would then set it up, clear doubts about some concepts, and start it. I'm really ok with this! But if you really think that what was posted by these 2 members was not spam covered by "a game", then I really am surprised how naive some persons are!

First, if their intention was to spam and pad their post count, they did a pretty miserable job of it. You can do a far better just going to the Civ III forum and posting that the game sucks...
So I think you are the naive one here.

Again... this is a game forum. The two people involved were playing a game. They made some posts (that in my opinion) seemed to be ways to add enjoyment in their game.
And then somebody SPAMS their thread by calling their thread SPAM... That is the person that should be getting a post count reduction. NOT the people who were just enjoying the game.

And frankly, I have to ask why you even care about this issue.
People have been using these forums to set up and discuss games in progress since the beginning. What is different here.
The fact that it is JUST two people doesn't matter. Their have many threads discussing duels between two players.

I'm wondering if some of you are forgetting the long history of these forums, and that they are a gaming forum. If you are complaining about people who are playing a game and posting about it, one has to wonder what the heck you are doing on these forums...