23-02-2002 03:56									#1
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We are targeting for Philosophy, and that will take some time, but we can any way start a new poll, that will last for 72 hours, to not make you restless.

I want you to think and discuss before voting, no overheaded decisions, also give comments on the options. We might need the target before we can research Philosophy.

As usual when you vote, take a chain as long as it applies to you.

	23-02-2002 04:48									#2
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anything but horseback riding

	23-02-2002 05:09									#3
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey anything but horseback riding

Yey, you haven't been brainwashed yet, my plan is working.

	23-02-2002 05:31									#4
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Down with the Monarchy, long live the Republic. Not to mention that our revenue, science and we have an option of luxury related growth.

	23-02-2002 07:36									#5
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Republic--->banking.

	23-02-2002 15:57									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Yey, you haven't been brainwashed yet, my plan is working.

you mean "not brainwashed by me"...


Still I stay with the idea,horsebackriding is just 1 tech inbetween and it would speed our exlporation up(or do you all want to explore with dilpo's???)....How will we ever catch a barb leader if our fastest unit is slower then the barb leader...

Shade

	23-02-2002 16:20									#7
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quote: Originally posted by shade you mean "not brainwashed by me"... Still I stay with the idea,horsebackriding is just 1 tech inbetween and it would speed our exlporation up(or do you all want to explore with dilpo's???)....How will we ever catch a barb leader if our fastest unit is slower then the barb leader... Shade

What about seafaring, it would give you exploration power, without making you too powerful.

	23-02-2002 16:24									#8
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I have'n seen that many ships opening huts and killing barbleaders in a profitable way.

Shade

	23-02-2002 16:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by shade I have'n seen that many ships opening huts and killing barbleaders in a profitable way. Shade

You don't get ships form seafaring, but explorers.

	23-02-2002 16:42									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos You don't get ships form seafaring, but explorers.

explorers ADM=0/0/1 ???doesn't the A=0 give a problem when trying to get a barb leader?
(and D=0 and you still have to support them Yuecch,probably the reason why I never use them to expensive and to fragile but they are quite fast indeed)

==>they could be a beginning but they dy way to fast.

Shade

	23-02-2002 16:47									#11
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quote: Originally posted by shade explorers ADM=0/0/1 ???doesn't the A=0 give a problem when trying to get a barb leader? (and D=0 and you still have to support them Yuecch,probably the reason why I never use them to expensive and to fragile but they are quite fast indeed) ==>they could be a beginning but they dy way to fast. Shade

Why confront the enemy when you can run away from it?

	23-02-2002 16:50									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Why confront the enemy when you can run away from it?

1) you are a coward,our supreme nation runing away from barbarians
2) and what about troops that come to bring us a visit??
What's the use of fast units if they can't be used to help defend other then their home cities(actually they can't even defend their home city )

Shade

	23-02-2002 16:53									#13
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quote: Originally posted by shade 1) you are a coward,our supreme nation runing away from barbarians 2) and what about troops that come to bring us a visit?? What's the use of fast units if they can't be used to help defend other then their home cities(actually they can't even defend their home city ) Shade

You just wanted to explore right, and three moves is mush.

	23-02-2002 16:57									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos You just wanted to explore right, and three moves is mush.

Yes but it's also my job to defend our empire...(yes 3 moves is much,maybe we should get them both)
and I can't do that with books,maybe except when you write enough of them we can drown our enemy under those books

Shade

	23-02-2002 16:59									#15
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quote: Originally posted by shade Yes but it's also my job to defend our empire...(yes 3 moves is much,maybe we should get them both) and I can't do that with books,maybe except when you write enough of them we can drown our enemy under those books Shade

Well, I'm currenly investigating the power of Magic, and I think that if we just could capture some werewolves and vampires we would be able to deend ourselves quite good.

	23-02-2002 17:19									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Well, I'm currenly investigating the power of Magic, and I think that if we just could capture some werewolves and vampires we would be able to deend ourselves quite good.

Maybe I should ask for the replacement of our science advisor since it seems like his he is going insane:
little blue creatures,werewolves,vampires,...


Shade

	23-02-2002 17:45									#17
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quote: Originally posted by shade Maybe I should ask for the replacement of our science advisor since it seems like his he is going insane: little blue creatures,werewolves,vampires,... Shade

Its due to the lack of educated people in our land, you start to believe in anything.

*Help, I think Shade tries to brainwash me*
Don't listen to him. I'm all fine. No problems here. All I need is writing, and I'll be just fine.

	23-02-2002 17:52									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Gramphos Its due to the lack of educated people in our land, you start to believe in anything. *Help, I think Shade tries to brainwash me* Don't listen to him. I'm all fine. No problems here. All I need is writing, and I'll be just fine.

I didn't say anything...it's just a little voice inside your head

[hypnotic mode] look into my eyes relax man this is just a dream,you aren't the science advisor your just dreaming that.I real life you're a horse and you will take me everywhere I want...when I snap my fingers you will wake up my dear horsie.[/hypnotic mode]
*snapping sound of my fingers*

Shade

	23-02-2002 18:00									#19
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I just found what I need to prove me right. I'm not totaly mad yet. Please don't let him succeed, or this will turn from Democracy to Dictatorship.

Now I need to hide somewhere until my mind is restored.

Nooo, he's here, runs.

*arrrgh* Runs towords my secret chambers, and manages to get in just before Shade reaches me.

*goes to rest, and hopes that my mind will slowly restore*
Me no advisor me horse no me not yes me am No I'm not, and thats incorrect grammar...
I need to not sleep, or my dreams will take control of me. Now I just got to make some stron potion to stay awake.

	23-02-2002 18:03									#20
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(me dictator,no....)

Shade

	23-02-2002 18:11									#21
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I just got a very bad head ach, guess those leaves I ate recently weren't good for my mind. Maybe could get some of them into the food of our Military advisor, it seems to be a very strong posion. Now, when do we finish writing, I'm tired of drawing all my secret posiond recipies. Now what more to have in this drink for the military advisor?

Edit: that advisor immune to all known toxins? Then I just have to invent something new.

Last edited by Gramphos on 23-02-2002 at 19:49

	23-02-2002 18:45									#22
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bare in mind that I have natural immunity for ALL known toxins.
(schoolfood)

Shade

	24-02-2002 03:26									#23
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quote: Originally posted by shade bare in mind that I have natural immunity for ALL known toxins. (schoolfood) Shade

ok Shade, all the talking is ok, but go and vote, i´m the only one who has voted for horseback riding

we are in a country of cobards, go for engineering, banking...

if we explore we can contact other civs, if we contact other civs we can trade with them, exchange technology...

and we need some units in case a civ declare war on us, or if the barbs appear

we want horseback riding, not a science path to mobile warfare

	24-02-2002 15:23									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur ok Shade, all the talking is ok, but go and vote, i´m the only one who has voted for horseback riding

voted already,did exactly what the science advisor asked for: taking a techpath of more then 1 tech
Horseback->...->...->engineering
(so who's the 3th vote?? )

Shade

	24-02-2002 17:30									#25
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quote: Originally posted by shade voted already,did exactly what the science advisor asked for: taking a techpath of more then 1 tech Horseback->...->...->engineering (so who's the 3th vote?? ) Shade

So, you go for the long run. I was sure you voted for the Wheel, now who did that...

	24-02-2002 19:34									#26
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there is one vote just for horseback
one for horseback and the wheel
and 2 for the path

those are four votes for horseback riding


by the way, I don´t like to vote for long paths, we don´t know what can happen in a near future...

	24-02-2002 20:22									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Shaka Naldur by the way, I don´t like to vote for long paths, we don´t know what can happen in a near future...

Well, in case the situation changes quickly, we have to poll on if we shall break the path.

	24-02-2002 23:54									#28
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My $0.02.

Explorers are a better option than Horseback. Civ2 is won or lost on Trade. I'll take a camel over a Barb leader anyday. This is not MP and we do not need Horseback! The only thing HB is good for is leading to Monotheism. That's the first mounted unit to consider. Let's get to Astronomy so we can start the SSC (Super Science City). This will lead to quicker discovery then we can get to Tanks quicker and take over the world, if that's the route we choose. Fewer losses and better movement.

We also don't want to consider Republic until we are done expanding and ready to WLTK our way to a massive population. Early on Republic is too hard to maintain civil order when sending out exploration units and settlers/defenders. In fact, I usually jump form Monarchy to Democracy. The only time to consider Republic is if we build Michelangelo's Cathedral, but since this looks like an island world, it may not be worth it. (I think MC only applies to 1 continent, I could be wrong).

Feel free to contradict me, but I'm right and you're not.

	25-02-2002 00:19									#29
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Hey! I just figures out who shade really is.
Judging from what he's been arguing, can't you see him say this...?

"NO!!! The defence of our cities is our foremost concern. Build (Horsemen) first, and other improvements later."

Think about it... I know it's you shade... you just want to be knee deep in the blood of our enemies (yet we don't have any).

	25-02-2002 02:32									#30
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Shade